RE: ADSL - nearly here!!

["Brown, Andy [Infrastructure]" <andyb@xxxxxxx>]

Take a look at http://www.adsluk.org.uk they have a
very informative mail
list in which people with BTOW and other various ISPs contribute.

>From what I've determined - BT ARE sufficiently brain damaged to
warrant
using another ISP.  I signed up to OpenWorld back in May and STILL haven't
had the email saying they're ready.

On the experiences detailed by one guy on the mail list, I signed some
paper
work with Nildram who quoted me a 10 day turn-around on receipt of the
signed docs.  On asking how they can get it installed more efficiently than
BT their response was BT openWorld requires the co-ordination between BT's
sparks and the ISP, which are two separate entities.  They are doing a
pretty duff job of talking to each other, hence the massive delays.  I
heard
someone quote an OpenWorld rep who said "Oh - BT haven't update the
spread
sheet for your account yet".  So that's a 100,000 user subscriptions
held in
a spreadsheet?! (that last bit may not be true, but its somehow
believable!).

There's quite a lot of mystery around the BTOW implementation at the ISP
end.  No-one seems to fully understand if the USB version is NAT or
non-NAT.
If non-NAT the rumours are that it uses DHCP with a 30 minute lease!

Nildram, however, confirmed that the USB version is fixed IP.  I intend to
use Win2k's NAT at my end to share access for my other boxes.

When I get sorted, I'll report back with do's / don'ts.

Andy



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McCall [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 02 October 2000 11:51
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] ADSL - nearly here!!


> It might be worth searching newsgroups on this one, as it has been the
> source of lively debate. My impression was that BT's Openworld home
version
> of ADSL was sufficiently brain damaged to make it hard, if not
impossible
to
> support more than one PC off it, and definitely impossible to do run
any
> server or do any kind of hosting.

Can they really stop you using internet sharing?  I would have thought that
if a PC has a connection to the Internet then surely Proxy, WinRoute or
Windows own internet sharing could be implemented (but hey...what do I
know!).

Do they stop Web Servers by disabling port 80?  If so could people just use
another port or is ADSL smarted than this?

> Other providers (i.e. not Openworld) are claiming they will be
offering
> fixed IP addresses, with the ability to perform hosting, at costs
between
> BT's 'cheap' consumer offering and their ethernet business version.
Hence
I
> wouldn't consider using Openworld.

Are there other providers on BT copper yet or are you talking about cable
companies?

> However, fear and uncertainty about timescales, real bandwith and
features
> resulted in me deciding that HomeHighway with Freeserve Unlimited was
a
> better way to go, for now.

That's what I have right now, and up until this weekend it was excellent
(it
crashed and burned over the weekend for some reason).

> Treat this as a recommendation to dig further, rather than a cast in
stone
> warning, since I may well have been wrong in the first place, and
haven't
> done any checking in the past couple of months so the position may
have
> changed.

I have lined up both home and work's Highways to be converted to ADSL so I
am really interested in this topic.  Thanks for all the info.

M.







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