RE: moving away from the remote-control paradigm

["Kenneth Watt" <kennethwatt@xxxxxxx>]

Paul,

I'm starting to worry about you ;-)

K.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 09 August 2001 19:42
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] moving away from the remote-control paradigm

I personally believe that machine vision *IS* the most likely candidate
for
solving the occupancy detection problem.

(either that, or employing a number of small Philipino boys to sit in
each
room and press buttons when people enter/leave...)  *grin*

Paul G.





>From: "Neil F" <automated@xxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [ukha_d] moving away from the remote-control paradigm
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:28:59 +0100
>
>How about having cams in each room linked to a PC with motion detection

>software that could also recognise the shape of a human and indentify
if
>there's anyone on a seat etc...It would also open up countless other
uses
>for security, identifying specific family members, ignoring pets...
>
>What do any of the programming whizz kids think, is it possible?
>
>Neil
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Mark McCall
>   To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:17 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ukha_d] moving away from the remote-control paradigm
>
>
>   And don't you have to re-calibrate if you move furniture?
>
>   Wonder if I brough my laptop case into the room then walked out
would
>that be seen as occupied?
>
>   Also - lifting carpets etc for wires is far from perfect too.
>
>   I think we're still a long way off decent, reliable occupancy
detection.
>
>   M.
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Paul Gordon
>     To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>     Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:45 PM
>     Subject: RE: [ukha_d] moving away from the remote-control paradigm
>
>
>     Yeah, I have heard of these, and I'm familiar with the claims of
their
>     capabilities...
>
>     But I have just one or two problems with this at the moment:...
>
>     1) They are not here! - they are just vapourware at the moment...
>     2) I >believe< their effectiveness is dependant on having
loads of

>aerials
>     buried in the room (as someone else mentioned...) - there is no
chance
>I'm
>     going to (re) re-plaster a room to get a load of wire mesh in the
>walls...
>     3) even if both of the above are solved, - there is no demostrable

>proof
>     thet they will work, so until I've seen one in operation, and it's

>been
>     demonstrated to work, then I'll reserve judgement, and not get my
>hopes up
>     too high...
>
>     Paul G.
>
>
>
>
>     >
>     >I agree PIR's are well past their sell-by date in terms of
>technology,
>     >but there is an answer - the BIK Sensor!
>     >
>     >What it does is detect a presence in the room, as in a body,
by
some
>     >trick with the grounding of am EM field as far as I can tell
from

>what
>     >I've read. So, in effect, it intelligently knows when someone
is
in
>the
>     >room or not you can then base X10 or whatever actions around
that

>fact.
>     >With a bit of luck it'll live up to the hype and get rid of
the
>poxing
>     >timers and PIR sensor nonsense we've had to endure. This is my
>biggest
>     >complaint from SWMBO, she presses a button on the Pronto to go
to
bed
>     >(it sets stuff up for her) and either the bog light is on too
long or
>     >too short for her, usually the latter - you know how woman are
with
>     >bathrooms ;-) But you get the point.
>     >
>     >Stuart G is working on getting these up and running so
hopefully
>we'll
>     >get a result soon.
>     >
>     >K.
>     >
>
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