RE: Newbie Again

["Kenneth Watt" <kennethwatt@xxxxxxx>]

You are correct AFAIK Phil. That's the setup I have, no need for the
7243 as HV receives IR from any room that matters through an IR
distribution block. Funny thing though, HV has stopped responding to my
TV remote for some reason, which bugging the hell out of me but I don't
have the time to sort it at the moment due to a little re-decorating :-(

K.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 17 August 2001 23:18
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again


No ... you are correct.

If you're doing a whole house IR return system back to "node 0"
(I hate
that
term - makes us all sound like geeks!) then the 7243AH can be done
without.
The reasoning behind my saying that the 7243 is worth keeping is that
until
the latest release of the HomeVision EPROM (and I may well be wrong here
so
someone please correct me if my information is in error) HomeVision
couldn't
*RECEIVE* any commands other than those already programmed into it in
the IR
codes database. Now, my understanding with the latest release of the
EPROM
and the latest software is that HomeVision can receive (and hence act
on)
any codes that it has been taught too.

Now, HV has a 256 learned IR command limit that CSI don't think is a
problem
but I have had to quite carefully go through my Pronto CCF to decide wat
I
want to teach HV and what I can leave out (for example, HV doesn't need
to
know how to decrement the left skew in my CRT projectors setup menu).
Now,
if you're starting to use the HV itself to receive the IR X10 commands
and
pass them out onto the powerline then you have 16 of your 256 used for
house
codes, 16 more used for unit codes plus 2 (All units off and All lights
on)
and the ON/OFF/DIM/BRIGHT commands which means you've used 40 out of
your
possible 256 commands - to mee this is just too many codes used from the
256
when I'm damn short of codes to begin with (my CRT projector remote is a
mother!).

I'd still stick an IR7243AH in node zero to pick up the IR from the
distributed IR system and convert that back into X10 commands rather
than
using HV - =A370 to save 40 learned IR command slots is well worth it in
my
opinion.

Of course you could assign 40 of the pre-learned commands to the
different
X10 commands but then that gets very messy!

Just as an aside, I have recently been playing with a Maxi Controller
that
Li at Laser sent me down (www.laser.com) to have a play with and I must
say
that I love it! When setting up my house with X10 I allocated a house
code
to each room and so with one of the maxi controllers I can have *DIRECT*
control of any of the possible 16 X10 units in any one room (I dislike
the
1-4 unit codes of the mini controllers with a switch to select 5-8). One
of
those with a built in All Housecodes IR receiver would be superb!

Phil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Calum Morrell [mailto:calum@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 18 August 2001 03:58
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
>
>
> Phil, I was under the impression if he runs cables from wall mounted
ir
> receivers to homebase, it would redistribute the signal all over the
> house .. thus not needing an IR7243AH in each room he wants to be able
> to use the pronto in. Have I got that wrong?
>
> Phil Harris wrote:
>
> > Don't scrap the LD10's they're a great piece of kit and with the
LD11
> > firmware they have preset dim and soft start which is
> wonderfull! If you did
> > want to dim halogens then just do a little more research before
choosing
> > your mains transformers or go for mains halogens ... as I said,
> I have had
> > dimmable electronic transformers running off LD10's and they're
fine.
> >
> > Jeez! Nothing like putting the wind up the guy...
> >
> > The IR7243AH allows you to send X10 commands from the Pronto
> which can be
> > picked up by modules round the house and my HomeVision ... I
> would strongly
> > suggest that you still do want this piece of kit!
> >
> > The appliance wall switches are dog ugly as are the LW10Us -
> try the Clipsal
> > switch plates with momentary switches operating LD10s and then
> you can do
> > your two way switching easily.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Hall, Alex [mailto:alex.hall@xxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: 17 August 2001 21:28
> >> To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> >> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for the responses so far...
> >>
> >> So I am scrapping the dimmers possibly - need to do a bit
more
> research on
> >> this.
> >>
> >> 10002	LD10 DIN Mounted Lamp Module (LD11 Internal Software)
> >> =A334.99 * 14
> >> 10455	DIN Enclosure for 1 x LD10/LD11
> >> =A317.63 * 14
> >> 10 * 1 gang faceplates
> >> 3 * 2 gang faceplates
> >>
> >> and replacing them with something like:
> >>
> >> 10030	APPLIANCE SWITCH AW10U (Requires NEUTRAL Wire)	=A330
> >>
> >> however my switches are unlikely to have a neutral wire ???
> and also some
> >> likes the stairs/landing switches are 2 gang ???
> >> Which the AW10U isn't ? And I'd like a brass coloured
switches.
> >>
> >>
> >> Also as I am going for HomeVision I don't need the IR7243AH.
Correct ?
> >>
> >> Do I need the XM10U ?
> >>
> >> And then add 2* the number of cat5 lines/ports.
> >>
> >> and finally some IR repeaters when Ian has finished them :-)
> >>
> >> and probably not bother with the WS10's either.
> >>
> >> thanks so far
> >>
> >> alex
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> flooring down and fit LV lighting,
> >>>
> >>> LV lighting does not mix well with X10 dimming. Basically
the
> >>> transformers
> >>> don't like it and may fail, catch fire if you try it.
They
> >>> are fine with
> >>> appliance type modules as these are straight on/off.
Mains
> >>> voltage halogens
> >>> are fine for dimming.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> In essence I am looking to have a small internal
network
> >>>
> >>> 1-2 data ports in
> >>>
> >>>> each room, and then be able to connect
> >>>
> >>> tv/satellite/dvd/video around the
> >>>
> >>> Fit more CAT5 cable and ports and then double it. Pretty
much
> >>> everything can
> >>> run over CAT5 including all you telly requirements - see
Kat5
> >>> from Keith
> >>> Doxey.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 95000	Pronto RU890 Remote & RU941 Docking Station
> >>>
> >>> (Package Price)
> >>>
> >>>> =A3179.95
> >>>> 10512	IR7243AH All House Code IR->X10 Converter
for
> >>>
> >>> Pronto/RC5000
> >>>
> >>>> =A372.85
> >>>> 10215	XM10U (TW7223) X10 -> Mains Interface
> >>>> =A330
> >>>
> >>> All good choices
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 10003	HomeVision Home Automation Controller 3.0 PAL
> >>>
> >>> 		=A3440
> >>>
> >>> Go for the standalone unit. It is small and under normal
> >>> circumstances one
> >>> of the most reliable bits of kit you can buy today.
Budget
> >>> for an expansion
> >>> board in the future as that is great as well. Temperature
> >>> input via Dallas
> >>> thingies (1820s) and the analogue port etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Then, in terms of the house I am looking at fitting
low
> >>>
> >>> voltage lighting
> >>>
> >>>> throughout which means:
> >>>>
> >>>> Room		Dimmers	Data Ports/TV-AV Ports
> >>>> Lounge		2 gang		2/2
> >>>> Dining Room	1		2/1
> >>>> Hallway		2 gang		2/1
> >>>> CloakRoom	1
> >>>> Kitchen		1		2/1
> >>>> FamilyRoom	1		2/1
> >>>>
> >>>> Bedroom1	1		2/2
> >>>> Bedroom2	1		2/1
> >>>> Bedroom3	1		2/1
> >>>> Bedroom4	1		2/1
> >>>> Bathroom	1
> >>>> Ensuite		1
> >>>> Landing		2 gang		2/1
> >>>>
> >>>> Does this therefore mean that I need 14 of the
following for the
> >>>> Low Voltage
> >>>> Lighting?
> >>>>
> >>>> 10002	LD10 DIN Mounted Lamp Module (LD11 Internal
Software)
> >>>> =A334.99 * 14
> >>>> 10455	DIN Enclosure for 1 x LD10/LD11
> >>>> =A317.63 * 14
> >>>> 10 * 1 gang faceplates
> >>>> 3 * 2 gang faceplates
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a cheaper source for brass faceplate dimmers
as
> >>>
> >>> 10070/1 is > =A370
> >>>
> >>>> each ?
> >>>>
> >>>> In order to do the Data Ports/TV-AV ports I am
guessing I need
> >>>> around 2.5km
> >>>> of cat5e wiring ? Does that sound correct.
> >>>> Also where is a good place to purchase this (I live
near
Windsor)?
> >>>>
> >>>> I also presume I will need to grab some Kat5 widget
thingies so I
> >>>> can run AV
> >>>> over the cat5e? Is that the generally recommended way
now ?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> See notes at the beginning!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Ok also needed will be:
> >>>>
> >>>> crimping tool - yes
> >>>> IR detector - any suggestions which one ? detector??
> >>>> patch panel - any suggestions which one ? - lets
automate
> >>>
> >>> ones are a good
> >>> price although I have never seen one in the flesh.
> >>>
> >>>> patch panel leads - yes
> >>>> and then a mixture of AM12/LM12/AW10 for the mains
electrics. -
yes
> >>>> Whats people's view on the WS10, its much more
expensive so
> >>>
> >>> is it worth it
> >>> ? - pass
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Anything else I missed, any other recomendations?
> >>>
> >>> You may want to think about IR distribution. I am
developing
> >>> some PIC based
> >>> IR repeaters and Keith is working on IR return for KAT5.
Mine
> >>> will need
> >>> about 5 lines in a CAT5 cable between A and B.
> >>>
> >>> Ian
> >>>
> >>>
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