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- Subject: RE: X-10 on eBay and our prices.
- From: "Phil Harris" <phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, c Jul 20ec 00:01:22 +0100
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I don't think anyone in X10 Europe is ripping anyone off ... if X10 Europe
have - say - 100 staff and they have to develop and manufacture 10,000 of a
product then the difference between the cost of doing that and doing the
same but producing 1,000,000 of a product is negligable but the costs can
be
spread over more product and hence the product can be cheaper. It's
economies of scale.
In the US there's one law to satisfy ... in Europe all the countries have
different plugs and their own quirks and so each variant of module must be
regarded as a seperate product line. The overheads on this must be huge. In
Europe we have CE testing which IIRC my previous employer worked out was
£57,000 for them to CE test a standalone piece of computer equipment which
was not user upgradeable. That applied to one spec of product and if we
made
any changes to the spec then the CE testing was void.
Manufacturing in Europe isn't cheap ... why do you think we get
multistandard TVs and VCRs? Not from the goodness of the makers hearts
that's for certain ... we get multistandard TVs and VCRs because it's
cheaper for the makers to do it that way and they sell it to us as a bonus!
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: steve [mailto:steve@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 30 June 20ec 23:36
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] X-10 on eBay and our prices.
I wasn't suggesting you where ripping anyone off but it seems to me that
somewhere along the line sombody is. Many times over. The last lamp modules
i bought where 4 dollars each.
I still feel the cost is a factor in holding back X10 in the UK and for
so long.
Yes i agree that on some individual kits homebase will have made a loss
but not overall on the quantaties and X10 range they have shifted. Some of
these kits where oringinally as i recall somewhere around 100 quid.
From the retailer i worked for the discount on basic x10 modules was
approx 7 quid. With discount there was always profit left................
Room for a price cut ?
----- Original Message -----
From: K. C. Li
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 20ec 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] X-10 on eBay and our prices.
> It certainly is the reason i have never puchased a uk x10 module.
> Yet i have approx 30 X10 units here.
I respect your reasoning but if you are suggesting that the high price
of
X-10 modules in the UK is the result of UK HA companies ripping people
off, you are very much mistaken.
> Having briefly worked in uk retail i seriously doubt homebase have
> made any loss on the x10 kit overall.
That depends on how many kits Homebase has sold beforehand. The factory
price, no middleman but directly from the factory in X-10 Hong
Kong/China,
for a single UK appliance or lamp module is over £10 if purchased in
quantities of many thousands. This price doesn't include additional
costs
that have to be added such as transport, import duties, insurance,
packaging, etc. I don't know which high-margin UK retail business you
have
been involved in but even companies the size of Homebase will not be
able
to avoid making a loss on the current price they are selling their X-10
products at.
Regards,
Kwong Li
li@xxxxxxx
Laser Business Systems Ltd.
http://www.laser.com
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
steve=20
[mailto:steve@xxxxxxx]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
30 June 20ec 23:36<BR><B>To:</B>=20
ukha_d@xxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ukha_d] X-10 on
eBay and o=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">I wasn't suggesting you
where ripping a=
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off but it seems to me that somewhere along the line sombody is. Many t=
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over. The last lamp modules i bought where 4 dollars
each.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">I still feel the cost is a
factor in ho=
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back X10 in the UK and for so long.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Yes i agree that on some
individual kit=
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homebase will have made a loss but not overall on the quantaties and X1=
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range they have shifted. Some of these kits where oringinally as i reca=
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somewhere around 100 quid.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">From the retailer i worked
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basic x10 modules was approx 7 quid. With discount there was=20
always profit left................ Room for a price cut
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message
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rom:</B>=20
<A title=3Dli@xxxxxxx href=3D"mailto:li@xxxxxxx";>K. C.
Li</A> </DIV=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B>
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href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</A>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, June 30, 20ec 9:=
05=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [ukha_d] X-10 on eB=
ay and=20
our prices.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>> It
certainly is the reason i have n=
ever=20
puchased a uk x10 module.<BR>> Yet i have approx 30 X10
units=20
here.<BR><BR>I respect your reasoning but if you are suggesting
that th=
e=20
high price of<BR>X-10 modules in the UK is the result of UK HA
companie=
s=20
ripping people<BR>off, you are very much
mistaken.<BR><BR>> &nb=
sp;=20
Having briefly worked in uk retail i seriously doubt homebase
have<BR>&=
gt;=20
made any loss on the x10 kit overall.<BR><BR>That depends on
how many k=
its=20
Homebase has sold beforehand. The factory<BR>price, no middleman
but=20
directly from the factory in X-10 Hong Kong/China,<BR>for a single
UK=20
appliance or lamp module is over =A310 if purchased in<BR>quantities
of=
many=20
thousands. This price doesn't include additional costs<BR>that have
to =
be=20
added such as transport, import duties, insurance,<BR>packaging, etc.
I=
=20
don't know which high-margin UK retail business you have<BR>been
involv=
ed in=20
but even companies the size of Homebase will not be able<BR>to avoid
ma=
king=20
a loss on the current price they are selling their
X-10<BR>products=20
at.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Kwong
Li<BR>li@xxxxxxx<BR>Laser Business=20
Systems Ltd.<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.laser.com";>http://www.laser.com</A><BR><BR></TT><BR>=
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