RE: HomeVision or other?

["Baker, R Keith" <keith.r.baker@xxxxxxx>]

Thanks Mark

I've now started purchasing stuff.

Ordered wireless reciever from the cheap place mentioned here a few
days ago - seemed a bargain (my excuse - but rarely washes!)

Yesterday I ordered the Pronto plus two LD10's.

Pronto will eventually control X10 but just happy to get rid of 5 remotes.

LD10 will be locally operated for now plus wireless control.

I decided to hold out on the CM12 as I'd rather spend the extra and go
for the Ocelot. Unless I can send extended dim to %age level commands using
the
basic activeHome software?

Apart from TV out Ocelot does almost the same as HV but not quite the same
quantity!

That should get me going for now and I will add LD10's as the mood takes
me! and PIR's.

Is it possible to extend the light level sense part of the PIR so that it
points
somewhere other than in the same area/room as the movement sensor? I want
to put
inside light on when it gets dark outside but without the light sensor
picking up
the inside light and thinking the sun has come out!

Cheers

Keith




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] HomeVision or other?
>
>
> Keith,
>
> I went in five phases, each getting "benefit now!"
>
> 1: Pronto (immediate application in the hi-fi)
>
> 2: X-10 IR receiver and light/switch modules for bedroom (adds to the
> Pronto functionality)
>
> 3: More modules (once I'd proved to SWMBO that X-10 was OK),
> and a CM12
>
> 4: A HomeVision
>
> 5: X-10 PIRs
>
> ... future developments include
>
> - Actually getting around to install Ian's Beam Break unit (which is
> very easy to interface to the HV's I/O ports.)
>
> - More/better PIRs (occupancy direction = black art)
>
> - More runs of X-10 controlled lighting to the garden (current = LV
> Halogen on _appliance_ module)
>
>
>
>
> Mark Harrison
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Baker, R Keith [mailto:keith.r.baker@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 25 February 2002 16:03
> To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] HomeVision or other?
>
>
> I'm not sure how much I will need to control. At the moment
> I'm thinking
>
> of just lighting but "away" mode would be good, plus PIR
controlled
> stuff.
> I can see it will soon outstrip a basic CM11.
>
> I want to avoid spending loads up front but I also want to
> avoid buying
> stuff
> that I will be upgrading later.
>
> Ocelot seems a good price vs functionality deal.
>
> Cheers
>
> Keith
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:40 PM
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] HomeVision or other?
> >
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> > If your "control world" is limited to X-10, or things
you want to
> > control only when you're there with the Pronto, then it's fine.
> >
> > If you want to have control of other (non-X10) devices by
> > timed/triggered macro, then you need something more
sophisticated.
> >
> > For example, when my house is in "away" mode, the
following happen:
> >
> > - Somepoint in the evening, the study light goes on
> >
> > - Later the light goes off, and the light in the bedroom comes on
> > together with the TV
> >
> > - Later the TV goes off, then the light.
> >
> >
> > Mark Harrison
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Baker, R Keith [mailto:keith.r.baker@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 25 February 2002 11:58
> > To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] HomeVision or other?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the info.
> >
> > Now I'm sure this has been considered but instead of using
> a dedicated
> > controller like HV or Ocelot, why
> > not have a simple CM11 interface and use the pronto for
> control.  I'm
> > sure there is a catch here, so what
> > is it?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Bovingdon [mailto:bov@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:03 AM
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] HomeVision or other?
> >
> >
> > www.remotecentral.com <http://www.remotecentral.com>
> > www.prontoedit.com <http://www.prontoedit.com>
> >
> > The new Marantz colour unit looks nice - shame it costs so much.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Baker, R Keith <mailto:keith.r.baker@xxxxxxx>
> > To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx' <mailto:'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:35 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] HomeVision or other?
> >
> >
> > I was looking at getting the Leopard. But it seems that there
> > is little
> > capability to use it as anything other
> > than an input device, ie, it would be nice to send messages
> > from the PC
> > to display on the screen but
> > this does not seem possible unless the message is
> pre-programmed into
> > the Leopard.
> > So, I was thinking that using a pronto, plus an Ocelot would
> > be better,
> > then any HA control would be recieved
> > as IR commands from the pronto.
> >
> > Does this seem like a sensible aproach?
> >
> > How good is the a Pronto?  does it have ALL the commands for
> > my Sony 940
> > Receiver/Amp?
> >
> > Are macros assignable to on screen buttons for single hit use?
> >
> > Pointers to useful Pronto web sites would be good.
> >
> > And what about alternatives to the Pronto? or different
> approaches to
> > the combining remotes and HA control problem?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Hawkins [mailto:lists@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:22 PM
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] HomeVision or other?
> >
> >
> >     I took a look at HV's current price and it does seem more
> > expensive
> > than I remember. The differential is quite significant now.
> >
> >     You can compare the hardware features yourself I guess from
the
> > specs so here's some comments on the software side.
> >
> >     The Ocelot is the brains behind the Leopard controller
> and is well
> > produced and professional product (IMO). I use the Leopard and I
am
> > happy with it, but I find it awkward. A lot of my
> criticisms are to do
> > with the specific capabilities of the Touch screen interface and
the
> > ongoing development of the product and hence don't apply to
> > the Ocelot.
> > Basically little appears to be happening in terms of new
> features but
> > what you do have works well. The programming environment for
> > the Ocelot
> > is quite different to HomeVision - much more like a
> > programming language
> > and that may or may not be an advantage to you. I suggest
> you download
> > the software which is available on the web site and try it
> > and see what
> > you think. It can be used without the Ocelot connected. In
> addition I
> > suspect the amount of code space inside the Ocelot is much less
than
> > with HV and requires much more skill to code in a complex
> environment.
> > There is a well supported mail list for this however.
> > Homeseer supports
> > Ocelot directly.
> >
> >     HomeVision - which I use too - is my choice of HV
> > controller. I find
> > it easy to use and incredibly powerful, it has a busy mail list
> > supporting it and Craig does an exemplary job. In fact he and Dan
> > Hoehnen (ACE author) are my nominations for the best
> support Oscars. I
> > find it much easier to add things quickly into HV and to
understand
> > things later on when I've forgotten why I did such and such.
> > This allows
> > for more ad hoc experimentation & less planning is required
(but not
> > recommended). The programming environment can also be
> downloaded from
> > CSI's site and works without HV so have a look and see - it
> is a much
> > more graphic environment. In addition the HomeVision
> application links
> > up with ACE etc via DDE to provide a very tightly
> integrated solution.
> > The ACE / Homeseer integration is much more of a
> programming interface
> > (COM).
> >
> >     In the USA there is also a product called HomeVision PC
> available
> > which is lower cost - the main difference being it is a card
> > sitting in
> > a PC so it requires a permanently powered PC.
> >
> >     My recommendation ?? HV every time but that's being a little
> > insensitive to the now much larger price difference than I
> > had expected,
> > so you takes your choice I guess... If you will use TV
> > display then the
> > HV of course is a certain choice.
> >
> >     A comparison of HV against JDS's Time Commander is quite
> > enlightening and is available here http://www.csi3.com/hv_comp.htm
> > <http://www.csi3.com/hv_comp.htm>
.
> >
> >     Kevin
> >
> >
> > [[K]]
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Laurence [mailto:andylaurence@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 22 February 2002 16:46
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: [ukha_d] Homevision or other?
> >
> >
> >
> > I suppose it'll be time for me to splash out on an HA
> > controller of some
> > description soon.  I've been looking around at the possibles.
> >  I've seen
> > this ( http://www.letsautomate.com/10599.cfm?CFID=432
> > <http://www.letsautomate.com/10599.cfm?CFID=432&CFTOKEN=51078446)>
> > &CFTOKEN=51078446) which
> > seems to do quite a lot for not a lot of money.
> >
> > I'm after something which will do X10, IR and possibly
> control things
> > via
> > relays (no idea what yet).  Bear in mind that I run a server 24/7
at
> > home,
> > and have another which can do the same.  What would I be
> > missing out on
> > if I
> > bought the above rather than HomeVision?  I know I'd lose the TV
> > interface
> > of HomeVision, but that doesn't bother me.  Are there other
> > alternatives?
> >
> > Andy
> > --
> > PC-Based Multimedia System
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> >
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