Re: Some DVD bargains if you're interested, including DVDR!

["Jason Lee" <jasonjlee@xxxxxxx>]

Last thing I read about sony was here...

http://www.dv-info.net/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?s=3D3d2= 81e214385ffff;act=3DST;f=3D
5;t=3D22

which if correct doesn't sound good for +R..

The format with the caddy was dvd-ram, which I had at launch. There was
actually a version that could be removed from the caddy (type 2 disks) 2.6g=
that could be read in some dvd-rom drives (sr8582-3-4). But no one ever
remembers that bit!

But what is interesting is the point you make about pushing the formats for=
home vcr replacements.
I'm afraid thats kinda off my radar atm but its interesting that Philips seem agressive about that.

J

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Watt" <kennwatt@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Some DVD bargains if you're interested, including
DVDR!


Yeah Jason I read loads about this stuff too and concluded that no-one
really knows which format is better, it appears to be horses for courses when it comes to PC drives. Although, in fairness, there are several
like the new Sony which can read/write both formats AIUI.

When I looked at this a while back the Philips system claimed 99%
compatibility with any DVD player out there while the -R/RW was touting
a figure closer to 80% IIRC. It turns out that Philips were being a
little over-enthusiastic with their claims but I read Barry Fox saying
that it was about 90% compatible and he reckoned, at that time, that
this would become the consumer standard, whether that translates to the
IT industry is yet to be seen. The DVD Forum set the standard for the
one that used a caddy (Matsushita I think) but Philips and a few others
were not happy with that and decided to go with their own system as,
with a caddy, there was virtually no chance of backwards compatibility!
Also the + formats have become the de facto standard for the MAC which
is *the* machine for video editing so I suppose there's something in
that too.

In the consumer market Philips is the only manufacturer to be actively
pushing any player and consumers are expecting DVD to replace VHS and
that is the big gamble that Philips is taking with this product. Now
however, at this kind of price, it is out of the luxury segment of the
market and affordable to a huge range of customers and I honestly think
that we will see a huge increase in DVDR across the board.

As for media, yes -R wins there! On the -RW/+RW discs though there seems very little difference between them as things stand, no doubt that'll
change but which way is anyone's guess right now. My money is on +RW
though as, assuming Philips move bucket loads of these players, media
prices will fall in time.

ATEOTD, either standard could fail as the market is still young but I
agree, I to think both will be around for a while.

K.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Lee [mailto:jasonjlee@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 07 July 2002 11:52
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Some DVD bargains if you're interested,
including
> DVDR!
>
> Ken, I'm pretty sure that dvd-r is the most compatible format. Its
worked
> on
> every player I've tried.
>
> >From www.vcdhelper.com and www.computervideo.net
>
> http://www.dvdoctor.net/cgi-bin/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001321.html
>
> Follow the dv.com link from that forum for a very good article on
> compatibility..
>
> from the summary at the end....
>
> "
> Let me wrap up with a few general guidelines to help you get the most<= BR> out
> of
> recordable DVD. These suggestions are based on the results of the
testing
> and my experiences working with recordable DVD drives and media for the
> past
> five years.
>
> 1. Use DVD-RW or DVD+RW for internal testing. Find a DVD player that > supports either DVD-RW or DVD+RW (or both) and use it for internal
> testing.
> Because you can rewrite these discs, you will save money over using a<= BR> > write-once format such as DVD-R for Authoring, DVD-R for General, or > DVD+R.
>
> 2. Use DVD-R for external testing or final product delivery. Because you
> probably can't control what type of DVD player the end users have,
it's
> best
> to send them DVD-R discs. DVD-RW and DVD+RW are still significantly less
> compatible than DVD-R, so it is better to be safe than sorry. Also, DVD-R
> media are much cheaper than either DVD-RW or DVD+RW.
> "
>
> He did not test +R as he had no drive or media, the +R rather than +RW=
> variant is fairly new. Hell, some of the first gen dvd-rw drives can't=
> even
> be upgraded to write to it. Look at the hp class action in the
states..
>
> I don't think either media will disappear, so it's kind of a win-win.<= BR> But
> then, when I bought mine +RW wasn't around so it was a no brainer.
>
> If anyone's thinking of getting a DVD writer and wants to check
> compatibility look at www.vcdhelper.com for a list of tested dvd
players..
>
> That said, thats a very nice price!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kenneth Watt" <kennwatt@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:02 AM
> Subject: [ukha_d] Some DVD bargains if you're interested, including DVDR!
>
>
> It so happens I was in a shop I tend to frequent rather a lot
yesterday
> and I have been offered some bargain DVD players.
>
> They are as follows:
>
> Panasonic DVD-XV10 (Multi-Region) =A3179
> Panasonic DVD RV 32EBS (Muti-Region) =A3159.99
>
> And the beauty is the new Philips DVDR880 deck which works like a VCR<= BR> > for =A3399! There are *very* limited supplies of this machine at this<= BR> > price and I am unsure as to whether it will be Multi-Region enabled at=
> this price, but it is =A370 or so cheaper than I have seen it anywhere= .
>
> For those of you worried about DVD standards, as I see you have been > debating of late, the Philips system is supposed to be the most
> backwards compatible system although it is a *very* confusing muddle > that they've gotten themselves into on this issue. The format used is<= BR> > +R/+RW for recording for which media is more expensive as it stands, but
> if Philips start a price war like this with the hardware for consumer<= BR> > players and offer backwards compatibility I would go with it and,
> indeed, I have! ;)
>
> If anyone is wants to buy any of these can you mail me off-list.
>
> BTW, these are cost prices out the shop, I am not making a bean out of=
> it!
>
> K.
>
>
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