Re[6]: New Regs to kill DIY HA?

["Pete Shew" <ukha_d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Andrew, thanks for that informative and helpful reply. Have a relaxing
Chri=
stmas, as I intend to do.

Pete

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On 21/12/2004 at 18:52 Andrew Barron wrote:

>Really my concern is what I'm still going to be allowed to do without
the
>hassle and expense of getting certification.=20
>
>  The part P document states work that need not be notified to building
>control bodies, in this table it mentions Kitchens along with special
>locations, however, a kitchen is not a special location as defined in
>BS7671 (16th edition regs) and if it was included there would be no
socket
>outlets within 3.6metres of your sink!!!!!
>
>  I currently have no paperwork certifying the electical installation
in
>the house or outside it. It was rewired before I bought it and there
are
>still some minor faults (e.g. round pin light sockets not working) -
can I
>fix these?. I have added some centre ceiling lights, and armoured cable
to
>garden lighting, greenhouses and (unoccupied ) shed.=20
>
>  Fix 'em quick, between Xmas and new year I suggest!
>
>  My kitchen question relates to the fact that I need to install a
power
>point in the same "room" but at a distance of several metres
from any
>kitchen like fittings or appliances.It seems that in fully open plan
>houses, the interpretation could go either way - the whole house is a
>kitchen or only that area which was used as a kitchen. What about a
>kitchen without doors, where does that stop?
>
>  As your new socket is more than 3.6metres from your kitchen sink you
>should be OK and you can do this after Jan 2005 providing the circuits
>protective measures are unaffected.
>
>  On the garden lighting I have several IP65 boxes in a daisy chain of
>multicore armoured cable. This is run back to an RDC spur unit via 15A
>"light" switches. Can I a) extend the armoured cable run or
b) alter the
>connections of lights into the IP65 boxes - these currently include low
>voltage rock lights and 160W flood lights.
>
>  Garden power and lighting in table 2 of Part P document is a special
>location and needs to be certified, sorry.
>
>  I have also not quite finished putting lights and power points into
the
>barn/shed/workshop, can I add these to that RCD protected spur?
>
>  Out buildings are considered part of the complete electrical
>installation and are therefore covered under BS7671 and Part P, they do
>not come under special locations unless you keep livestock in them, a
>bath, shower, swimming or paddling pool, sauna, or have electric floor
or
>ceiling heating system, a stand-by generator. You can add to them
provided
>the circuits protective measures are unaffected.
>
>  Or am I going to have a busy time in the next two weeks?
>
>  I hope you do find time to relax and enjoy your Xmas, Part P is
coming
>but as said before by listers how will this be policed. If you are
>comfortable terminating SWA to IP65 boxes my guess is you know more
than
>most building inspectors who are being lumbered with the consequences
of
>Part P.
>  Part P has been an expense and a pain to me for the last few months,
>I've heard lots of stories from customers showing how badly it has been
>introduced. I have been working to BS7671, the 16th edition before it
and
>the 15th edition before that since the early '90's. To qualify to self
>certify myself to the new Part P all I have had to do is buy a new test
>meter (=A3600) and enrol with the NICEIC (=A3450), all other
qualification=
s
>and work practises are in order. I have upped my prices, yes, I will
>profit from those who now believe they need ,and of course do need, my
>services. But how much work will I lose to non-registerred persons
doing
>it for cash or pints.
>
>  Perhaps DIY stores should be stopped from selling electrical fixings
and
>they become available only at trade outlets to registered people?
>
>  Then it would be boilers....& patio gas heaters, lawnmowers,
sheds,
>shelves, & tiolet paper to registerred wipers!
>
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>  On 21/12/2004 at 08:33 Kenneth Watt wrote:
>
>  >>  (except in a kitchen or bathroom, or outdoors) is the
wording used i=
n
>  >all
>  >> the descriptions of part P I've ever seen. I still don't
know what a
>  >> kitchen is. I don't even know what outdoors is - is my
detached barn
>  >> outdoors - it has a door after all.
>  >
>  >Pete,
>  >
>  >My understanding of it was that any domestic supply has to be
certified
>by
>  >a
>  >person deemed competent to inspect to the set standards. Until
recently
>I
>  >understood this was only affect from the faceplate back, so any
plug
>point,
>  >spur or switch back to the fuse panel in whatever form. However
it woul=
d
>  >now
>  >appear that there some "grey" areas.
>  >
>  >If you are inhabiting the building as a domestic dwelling then it
will
>fall
>  >under the jurisdiction of Part P, end of story. If your kitchen
has
>  >electricity in it then it will fall under the remit of Part P,
open
>plan or
>  >not. Part P is not about where or the layout of the property,
other
>rules
>  >apply there, Part P is about ensuring that the actual wiring of
the
>house
>  >meets the required standards and is verified as such.
>  >
>  >K.
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