Re: xPL FirM Serial

["Frank Mc Alinden" <fmcalind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> OK that helped - I thought by FirM serial you meant the PC Serial
interface
> like I have.  I think I am being a bit slow here Frank so don't be too
hard
> on yourself :-)

I did mean that ;-))....Its basically the same hardware (only using a
pic16f876)

> So my question is could you take the FirM IR out directly into the USB
UIRT
> (by modifying the USB-UIRT) and bypass the optical bit.  Maybe I am
being
a
> little silly here but I just think the optical bit adds some
un-reliability.
> On more thinking though I can't see why I really think that as long as
it
is
> out of direct sunlight

Im sure it could be done ......but the USB UIRT IMHO is really good and
detects very short presses reliably ...

> Anyway - very interested in the progress because I have been thinking
about
> getting rid of the LIRC component for some time since it is quite
demanding
> on the PC and slow.  Maybe this USB-UIRT idea is the caper.

I think you would be happy with the USB UIRT.....

> Is the xPL stuff for the USB-UIRT and the FirM written in C - I could
port
> to Linux I guess (I assume the xPL stuff is running on a Windows PC at
the
> moment - or have I got that wrong as well :-) )

Not sure what software John uses for the uirt.....Im sure there was some
work done on a Linux version and at one stage there was talk of doing a xpl
plugin for  MisterHouse...Im sure i read a post from Ian on the MisterHouse
list.........
Check out the link...look at the bottom of the page regarding linux

http://www.xplproject.org.uk

HTH
Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Harrison" <shane.harrison@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] xPL FirM Serial


>
> OK that helped - I thought by FirM serial you meant the PC Serial
interface
> like I have.  I think I am being a bit slow here Frank so don't be too
hard
> on yourself :-)
>
> So my question is could you take the FirM IR out directly into the USB
UIRT
> (by modifying the USB-UIRT) and bypass the optical bit.  Maybe I am
being
a
> little silly here but I just think the optical bit adds some
un-reliability.
> On more thinking though I can't see why I really think that as long as
it
is
> out of direct sunlight.
>
> Anyway - very interested in the progress because I have been thinking
about
> getting rid of the LIRC component for some time since it is quite
demanding
> on the PC and slow.  Maybe this USB-UIRT idea is the caper.
>
> Is the xPL stuff for the USB-UIRT and the FirM written in C - I could
port
> to Linux I guess (I assume the xPL stuff is running on a Windows PC at
the
> moment - or have I got that wrong as well :-) )
>
> Cheers and thanks for sharing
> Shane
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2004 8:46 p.m.
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] xPL FirM Serial
> >
> >
> > Hi Shane
> >
> > > Would it be possible to use the USB UIRT to do the decoding,
but
rather
> > than
> > > regenerate the optical IR to feed into the USB UIRT could be
directly
> > couple
> > > the electrical IR signals and avoid the optical connection
for
> > both TX and
> > > RX?
> > Not sure what your saying here...The USB UIRT  decodes all
received ir
and
> > passes i think a 6 byte message to xPL UIRT....When txing xPL
UIRT would
> > send i assume a 6 byte message of the signal it wants to tx and
the UIRT
> > would generate the signal ???
> >
> > > or is that what you are doing since it isn't clear from you
description
> > what
> > > the interface is between the FirM serial and the USB
UIRT....?
> >
> > Sorry im not very good at explaining....The USB UIRT is used only
> > yo encode
> > / decode ir signals...The FirM Serial is used only for zone tx
selection
> > and reporting of zone sending ir....
> > The USB UIRT has a ir out jack which connects to FirM IR
IN....FirM IR
OUT
> > goes to a stick on emitter adjacent the USB UIRT.......
> > HTH
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shane Harrison" <shane.harrison@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] xPL FirM Serial
> >
> >
> > > Hi Frank,
> > >
> > > Currently as you know I use FirM (still trialling as I
haven't got
into
> > our
> > > new house yet !!) with a serial interface and use LIRC to
decode the
IR.
> > > Would it be possible to use the USB UIRT to do the decoding,
but
rather
> > than
> > > regenerate the optical IR to feed into the USB UIRT could be
directly
> > couple
> > > the electrical IR signals and avoid the optical connection
for
> > both TX and
> > > RX?
> > >
> > > or is that what you are doing since it isn't clear from you
description
> > what
> > > the interface is between the FirM serial and the USB
UIRT....?
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Monday, 20 September 2004 11:17 p.m.
> > > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] xPL FirM Serial
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Shane
> > > >
> > > > > Don't understand the purpose of the USB UIRT
> > > >
> > > > Im my case using the USB UIRT Hopefully will extend my
ir library
from
> > 256
> > > > (max in homevision)
> > > > to many many more.....
> > > > The USB UIRT does all the hard work like Homevision ie
..learns ie
> > signals
> > > > encodes and decodes them.........When the USB UIRT
receives
> > an ir signal
> > > > the plugin "xpl uirt" reports the signal to
the xPL network...The
User
> > can
> > > > create a Determinator to watch for this particular xpl
message
> > > > and then send
> > > > ir to a FirM Zone by sending  two xPL messages first
one to
> > > > xPL-FirM ....ie
> > > > tx zone number and then a second message to xPL UIRT 
(with a short
> > delay
> > > > between) the actual ir signal which gets passed onto
the USB
> > > > UIRT....Even 3
> > > > pieces of hardware is involved its quite quick....
> > > >
> > > > Hardware .....USB UIRT......FirM Serial.......FirM
> > > >
> > > > Software.......xPL UIRT.....xPL
FirM.....Determinators...
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shane Harrison"
<shane.harrison@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:06 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] xPL FirM Serial
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Frank,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm interested but got a bit lost :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't understand the purpose of the USB UIRT.  I
can sort of
> > understand
> > > > that
> > > > > it is useful as it can convert an IR signal to an
xPL message
> > > > (am I right
> > > > ?)
> > > > > but don't understand how the zoning information is
passed to it,
> > through
> > > > it,
> > > > > over it...
> > > > >
> > > > > An ASCII picture might help or it might confuse me
:-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Shane
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Frank Mc Alinden [mailto:fmcalind@xxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, 20 September 2004 10:25 p.m.
> > > > > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [ukha_d] xPL FirM Serial
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > >         Thought some might be interested so
have pasted
> > > > (below)  a part
> > > > of
> > > > > > my post to the xPL List of my progress so
far...........Im
> > > > using the USB
> > > > > > UIRT which has a xPL plugin  ....and can send
ir from the USB
> > > > > > UIRT to any of
> > > > > > my 8 FirM Zones....using USB UIRT / FirM
Serial / FirM
> > and of course
> > > > > > xPL...........Quite surprized how responsive
this setup actually
> > > > > > is.....Now
> > > > > > got to do the zone receiving ..so xPL can
take actions
> > depending on
> > > > which
> > > > > > zone a signal came from.......
> > > > > > More Soon
> > > > > > Frank
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > >         Well it looks like everyone is busy
with work at the
> > > > moment..which
> > > > > > is good .....
> > > > > > Just a little update on my progress with my
xpl serial FirM
> > > > > > Interface........
> > > > > > During the week nights i put the hardware
together and have been
> > > > > > modding my
> > > > > > tvosd code to use on the FirM Serial ....
> > > > > > At the moment have got the config messages
working  and have
just
> > got
> > > > the
> > > > > > transmit zoning working ;-)).....
> > > > > > I have a FirM system setup on my computer
desk with a
> > zone receiver
> > > > > > connected to zone 1...The ir out of FirM goes
to an emitter
> > > > > > adjacent the USB
> > > > > > UIRT.....I send a vol up signal from my dvd
remote to the FirM
> > > > > > receiver..onto FirM and out to the USB UIRT
... xpl uirt reports
> > > > > > back to xPL
> > > > > > (Thanks John)...a Determinator
runs........sends a zone 4
> > command to
> > > > > > xpl-FirM (via devcom) and another action
(within the same
> > > > determinator)
> > > > > > sends my ha menu signal and it works
ok.........
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