RE: New Installations Trade

["JT @ Home" <Jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Neil,

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What are your thoughts on the similarity to the IT market =96 =91ages ago=
=92 pc=92s
were the domain of =91highly skilled techno-nerds=92 who charged a small
fo=
rtune
just to perform small tasks, such as installing a new o/s (using
floppy=92s=
!!)
=85 so.. with the HA market at its current =91highly skilled installation
people=92  do you think the HA market needs to go the same way as the IT
market? (become more affordable and have a greater ease of use??)

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Jonathan

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From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Neil Fuller
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:20 AM
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] New Installations Trade

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Chris

I think it's a bit of over sell of EIB to suggest that it is
"The"=20
common protocol..

Sure, in Germany, there may be a lot of kit available, but it's hardly=20
universal and still requires a fair amount of engineering.

If I gave my dear old mum a few bits of EIB kit (fridge, cooker, blinds=20
and light switches, lets say) and asked her to get them talking, I bet=20
she would struggle. OTOH, the old dear recently purchased a PC, USB=20
mouse and keyboard, USB scanner, USB printer and a USB Skype phone. Got=20
them home, connected them all up and they worked!!

That's the sort of interoperability we need in HA kit before it will be=20
welcomed by the masses.

Sadly, I don't think it will ever come to be. Witness the mess in the=20
commercial BMS market. For years, the market has struggled to produce=20
some kind of common protocol. Eventually, a couple of promising systems=20
emerged - LON and BACNet. So, most manufacturers now produce devices=20
that will sit on one or both systems BUT, they use methods that make it=20
pretty difficult and costly to integrate their products with those of=20
other manufacturers to ensure a commercial advantage for their own
products=
.

Just another 2p's worth ;-)

Cheers

Neil



Chris Hunter wrote:

> >common protocol ...
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>'already exists - EIB, Konnex - not uncommon in Germany, comparable in
>cost to C-Bus, Siemens do various ovens & fridges etc for it, and
there
>are loads & loads & loads of devices for it ... for controlling
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>heat & blinds & for linking to computers, switches, meters, and
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>  As well as Siemens, Philps & ABB & Merten and about a dozen
other big=20
>names are involved ...
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>Chris
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>Neil Fuller wrote:
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> > Paul
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> > The reason that there's no one prepared to do what you/we want
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>say =A35k is that sticking all the disparate "cheap" bits of
kit together=
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>takes a considerable amount of skill, knowledge and  development time.
> >
> > Why on earth would those capabable of such feats want to earn
=A3200 a=
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>day (say) when they can earn =A31,000 a day!?
> >
> > The day that HA comes to the masses will be when=20
>Micro$haft,Panasonic, Whirlpool, Bosch etal colaborate on a common=20
>protocol that, allows everything from the freezer to the 100"
plasma to=20
>talk intelligently to each other, without requiring a masters in=20
>abstract programming to get the whole bloomin lot working !
> >
> > Me, frustrated about the lack of interconnectivity and the hassle
and=20
>time it takes just to something simple to work - No, never!!
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> > Just my 2p's worth!
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> > Cheers
> >
> > Neil
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