Re: Fw: X10^2 Micromodules - CBUS ?

["wywywywywywywywywywy" <wywywywy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

Its kevinlo@xxxxxxx

Thanks,
Wayne

--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, Gareth Cook <g@...> wrote:
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> Looking very interesting then !
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> Have you got Kevin's email addy at all ? I'd like to check then what
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> thoughts are - but a large order might be in the works
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> G.
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>  Gareth Cook
>  IT Architect / Project Manager, SWG Sales Europe
>  Office: +44 (0)1784 445166 - Mobile: +44 (0)7980 445166
>  email: g@xxxxxxx
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> ----- Forwarded by Gareth Cook/UK/IBM on 13/08/2007 10:03 -----
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> RE: [ukha_d] X10^2  Micromodules - CBUS ?
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> Gareth,
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> I did measured the voltage on the switching wires with a multimeter
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> from memory it looked to be around 5-6 volts.
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> I don't know what ampage, but the wires are only the same sort of
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> as a Cat5e wires so it can't be high.
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> Marcus=20
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> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
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> Gareth Cook
> Sent: 11 August 2007 17:39
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [ukha_d] X10^2 Micromodules - CBUS ?
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> Marcus
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> I can see a potential CBUS enablement here. I've got CAT5 all over
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> house (around 140 feeds and not even finished), but CBUS enabling
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> mains sockets etc was not really viable.
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> Now , instead of uses raw X10 modules round the house, these may be
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> option. You say in your review the switching system is low voltage -
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> low ? CAT5 spec low ? Low ampage ?
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> I could then use the CAT5 to feed the local switching via the CBUS
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> (or even the Comfort relays). The new X10 modules appear to be much
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> quieter, and I'd be using these X10 modules in a non-x10 capacity.
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> Do you know the ratings of these latching mechanisms ?
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> G.
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> Gareth Cook
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> ----- Forwarded by Gareth Cook/UK/IBM on 11/08/2007 17:29 -----
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> [ukha_d] X10^2 Micromodules - FYI
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> A few weeks ago we were discussing the X10^2 Micromodules that are=20
> available from Kevin Lo in Hong Kong (via eBay). There was some
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> over they're ability to be used with latched and momentary switches,
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> the outcome being that they did work with momentary switches.
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> Given this information, I ordered a couple of the "dual appliance
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> which for =A324.99 each seemed like a absolute bargain (that's 12.49
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> appliance device!). The intention was to use one to replace a couple
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> AD10 modules that control our dining room lights, as I'm sick of the
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> "Clunk" that they makes every time we switch the lights on
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> other was to be used to try and have the cooker hood lights linked
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> main kitchen lighting.
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> The modules were ordered via Kevin's shop on eBay, and arrived 2
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> later .. wow, 2days from Hong Kong to the UK.. quicker than some of
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> domestic post!
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> Once the modules arrived , the first problem became apparent. The
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> side of the module is LOW VOLTAGE, not high voltage like in an LD11
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> AD10. There are 3 wires Red/Blue/Black, and by shorting Red to Black
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> Blue to Black relay 1 or 2 are toggled. This probably wouldn't make
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> of difference if you where mounting them behind a switch (the usual=20
> purpose), since the switch would be simply detached from the normal
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> voltage wires and the low voltage wires from the module would be
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> directly to the switch. In my case this was a bigger problem because
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> wanted to mount the module in a remote consumer box ,where the AD10=20
> currently was. The "switch wire" was a single T&E from
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> that supplied the "switching live" to the AD10 (on the
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> returned the actual "live" (on the red) on the other wire.
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> I only had one wire for the switch and the module required 2. Since
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> was all Low Voltage I decided to utilise the earth wire as the
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> wire... not ideal but at least it made the project possible.=20
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> Once this "little" problem was solved and everything was
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> next problem arose. The switch would work fine connected to a
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> style switch (and the relay is barely audible) but not when
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> a momentary switch. After much head scratching and cursing I
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> Kevin, who contacted his R&D department. After couple of days
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> back to me with the bad news... the dual appliance modules do NOT
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> with momentary switches. The single appliance modules DO work with=20
> momentary switches.. but only Normally Closed style.
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> ---- Start Snip - Kevins email ----
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> Dear Marcus ,
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> I just got the confirmation with R&D
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> If you want to use Momentary Switch , you MUST use Normal Close
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> Switch.
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> And only One Load Appliance Micro Module can use it , Two Load
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> Micro Module cannot use it.
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> And the installation method have a little bit different.
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> 1) Install the One Load Appliance Micro Module at Ceiling ( or near
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> Lamp )
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> 2) Hole 1 connect to Lamp=20
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> Hole N connect the Neutral Wire
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> Hole L connect the Wire from Wall Switch
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> 3) Install the Normal Close Momentary Wall Switch at the back box ,
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> hole connect Live Wire , another hole connect the cable to Micro
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> That mean use the Momentary Wall Switch to control the power supply
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> Micro Module)
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> 4) Micro Module enter "Setup" mode and send Bright Command
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> 5) So if the Micro Module is ON , when you press the Momentary Wall=20
> Switch for cut the power , then supply power again , the Micro
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> OFF
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> Now the micro module is OFF , when you press the Momentary Wall=20
> Switch for cut the power then supply power again , the micro module
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> ON
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> ---- End Snip - Kevins email ----
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> Kevin's, customer support has been absolutely fantastic in all this
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> having now established how these modules work and that they are not=20
> suitable for my application he has issued a full refund (including
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> postage costs). If , given the above info, the modules are suitable
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> you then I have no problem fully recommending Kevin as a supplier.
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