Re: CBus Toolkit

["Frank Mc Alinden" <frankmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Chris

. and learnt that C-Bus is a very popular
> install for Russian country houses ... 'wonder how far they go, HA-
> wise ?

There are a couple of Russian Guys on the CBUS Forums....Maybe ask them ...

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hunter" <cjhunter@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] CBus Toolkit


> Phil -
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> thanks ... interesting, too, 'cos implies people / customers having
> clear ideas about what's needed & how it should work ... what
chance
> that being the case a domestic HA job, I wonder ...
>
> incidentally, Googled a bit on C-Bus (hence that energy-saving device
> for fluorescent lamps) ... and learnt that C-Bus is a very popular
> install for Russian country houses ... 'wonder how far they go, HA-
> wise ?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 9 Jun 2007, at 13:17, Phil Harris wrote:
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>>> thanks ... good answer !
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>>> no idea how many full time staff such a stadium would have,
>>> but 'wonder if one of them would be dedicated to the C-Bus
>>> system, to keep its settings & programming current, for
>>
>> Why would you want to "keep things current"?
>>
>> Unless the install changes the system stays *EXACTLY* the same ...
>> On big
>> installs such as stadiums and commercial buildings the last thing
>> you do is
>> change anything unless there is a specific reason to do so (i.e.
>> correcting
>> identified bugs or security issues that directly affect the
>> operation of the
>> install). Testing and certification (signoff) is done to a known
>> system and
>> if people are making changes to those systems then that
invalidates
>> the
>> testing and certification so obviously this is kept to a minimum.
>>
>> The last thing that anyone should be doing is getting a message
saying
>> "There are new updates available - do you want to isnstall
now?",
>> let alone
>> being given the opportunity to hit "Yes". :-D
>>
>>> whatever event could be happening
>>
>> Events (as with commercial building usage patterns) tend to fit
>> into nicely
>> segmented categories and so can be covered by relatively few
lighting
>> scenarios...
>>
>>> ... or maybe it's install &
>>> almost-forget - ie: get the guys in from Clipsal or whoever
>>> once & a while ... when the odd thing needs doing ...
>>
>> The normal way a large project would work is that the main
electrical
>> contractor (appointed by the main contractor) would bring in one
or
>> more sub
>> contractors to install the C-Bus cabling, perhaps more sub
>> contractors to
>> terminate and test each cable run and an integrator to program up
>> the entire
>> system and any head end control systems.
>>
>> There would then be maintenance agreements put in place whereby if
>> there are
>> any faults with the system then they would be rectified by the
>> integrator
>> and any updates/changes would be handled by the integrator - it
>> would be
>> *VERY* unusual (however not unknown) for a staff member at such a
>> facility
>> to do updates and changes themselves beyond possibly being able to
>> swap out
>> a failed drive from a redundant array...
>>
>> Phil
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