RE: Comfort Design Question

["Mike Griffiths" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

To follow up
All inputs and outputs I term to standard Krone blocks
In a perfect world I then ( and have done ) term all feeds from PIR's
etc to another set of Krones and then cross patch them

That was the proper way to do it ( and Clive Haycock will probably say
the only way to do it!)

But really the incoming cables PIR's etc can be left long enough to
reach any of the Comfort in and out Krones

To finish off the job you should make the Krone housing tamperproof
BUT I think if a burglar has got to my krone blocks and worked out which
is which then the Gold and Silver is well gone
Hope this makes sense
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Ben McCormack
Sent: 30 May 2008 12:15
To: UKHA Mailinglist
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort Design Question

Mike

When you speak of krone blocks I assume you mean these?

http://www.repsole.com/Product.asp?PID=976

So are you suggestion the following

1 Terminate all Comfort Main Panel inputs and outputs on a set of
krone blocks
2 terminate all of the incoming wires on a set of krone blocks - ie
PIR, Magnetic contacts etc
3. Patch between the 2 sets of Krone Blocks

Regards
Ben

On 30 May 2008, at 11:11, Mike Griffiths wrote:

> Also Ben I would really consider bringing all the inputs and outputs
> and
> control out to a Set of 10 Krone blocks - you can get krone blocks
> that
> are all connected so this makes KA / KB control and the 0 v and 12 v
> easily distributable and having all the ins and outs on krones make
> adding to the system very easy, it also aides fault finding and
> shutting
> off the siren when working on the system ;-)
> It can get very tight inside the unit to add cables at a later date
> especially if you follow the recommendation to use screened cable for
> the control to the keypads and slaves
> Personally I would never recommend a LEM 03 unless you know the system
> would never expand.
> The slaves really come into their own if you have a separate area
> like a
> garage - Comfort works a treat for automating lights and garage doors
> and is far more secure than using C-bus - one screened cat 5 and you
> can
> do all sorts of clever things in the garage with a slave unit
>
> Hope this helps
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Ben McCormack
> Sent: 30 May 2008 10:31
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Comfort Design Question
>
> Paul
>
> I really need more inputs rather than outputs.
>
> So I would like to use the 16 input board (LEM03) but from what I can
> see when I use that board I cannot add any slave expansion boards at a
> later date.
>
> Ben
>
> On 30 May 2008, at 10:21, Paul Gordon wrote:
>
> > Hi Ben.
> >
> > You may well be able to fit all that in a single panel, - but it
> will
> > possibly be a squeeze, depending how you plan/arrange it.
> >
> > Many of the modules can be "stacked" on top of each
other in the
> same
> > mounting position within the case by using long standoff pillars,
> this
> > helps a lot, but can also be a hindrance in terms of access to
> > obscured
> > terminals, so it's certainly worthwhile thinking about what
boards
> > you're likely to need access to after fitting.
> >
> > I'll try to take a picture of the layout of my panel tomorrow,
but
> > from
> > memory I have the following all within the main panel:
> >
> > Ultra II mainboard
> > LEM01-G2 local expansion module
> > ADM01 Aux distribution module
> > LSM01 Light sensor module
> > UCM05
> > Ringer module
> > RLY01 Relay board (4 relays)
> > Battery
> >
> > If you want the zone expansion, you can either use a SEM (slave
> > expansion) or a LEM (Local expansion) module. The design of the
> LEM is
> > such that it mounts on top of the mainboard & connects via a
ribbon
> > cable. The Ringer module also mounts on top of the mainboard.
> >
> > A SEP is a complete additional panel with another power supply,
> > another
> > "mainboard" - but not a full comfort mainboard
obviously, - it's a
> cut
> > down version; - a SEM, which is designed to be mounted remotely
from
> > the
> > main panel, and connects back to it via a standard alarm cable (I
> > believe)... I don't have any form of Slave expansion in my
system,
> > so I
> > may be a little off in my understanding of how the slaves work,
> > because
> > as you say, it is a little confusing!
> >
> > With both LEM's & SEM's beware that I believe there are
several
> > flavours
> > of each, - AIUI all of them have 16 "ports" - but some
of them are
> > split
> > as 8 inputs & 8 outputs, whereas others are all 16 inputs. -
If you
> > have
> > no requirement for additional output ports, them maybe you'd
> prefer to
> > opt for the 16 input versions which would give you 24 inputs
& 8
> > outputs...
> >
> > HTH.
> >
> > Paul G.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of Ben McCormack
> > Sent: 29 May 2008 20:55
> > To: UKHA Group
> > Subject: [ukha_d] Comfort Design Question
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I am just about to place an order for my Comfort system.
> >
> > The plan is to install Comfort in a central location and run all
> > wiring back to this point and I am looking to purchase the
following
> >
> > Comfort Gen 2 Untra II Panel
> > Backup Battery
> > KP04 Main Keypad
> > Door Phone
> > Phone Protection Board
> > CBUS Interface
> > Ethernet Module - UCM01/ETH
> >
> > Now what is not obvious to me is how all the part physically fit
> > together. Can all the above be located in the Main Panel?
> >
> > Now thinking about zones
> >
> > Initially I will need about 10 zones but this may increase over
time
> > if I put magnetic sensors on each window. So I will need to add
> extra
> > zones.
> >
> > So what is the best way of doing this.
> >
> > Do I go for a Slave Expansion Panel? Or Unibox?
> >
> > I am confused about this, can anyone help?
> >
> > Regards
> > Ben
> >
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