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On 07/12/2015 13:20, Paul Gale wrote:
>
> that the mass market HA devices and controllers all have huge issues.
> Do they just under-estimate the amount of effort required to get these
> things working I wonder ? or are they just incompetent?
>
With SmartThings it seems to be an overriding marketing decision to
launch the product, even though it had these known problems. To launch
in the UK when they did was such a bad experience for any experienced
user. However interestingly there is very informed comment on the forum
that overall this was probably the right thing to do as the grief they
are now enduring is actually only being voiced by a niche of their
customers from a volume perspective and invisible to their mass market.
>
> The HC2 is still a long way off from working well too it seems with
> poor support. My motion sensor LUX level still only works
> intermittently. The interface and GUI looks nice but when you get down
> to it, it?s still very clunky and isn?t very useable, let alone by
> anyone else in the house!
>
Agreed - it's another product with potential but just under invested in
support and development by the manufacturer. The Vera Plus launches
this month too.
>
>
> What I?m wondering currently is if there?s a way to detect a Hue scene
> being triggered (or even a hue lamp being triggered) and then turning
> on a Z-Wave plug socket? The Hue plugin doesn?t seem very capable at
> all unfortunately.
>
I had assumed so, but from what you say obviously not. I don't have my
Hue's connected to Fibaro, they are currently on ST and OpenHAB. I'll
give it a try if I get a moment. Not sure if it's a poor plugin
design or if it's some other aspect.
There is a patent held by Lutron that prohibits wireless lights updating
state in real time when operated locally - this maybe extends to control
from another application. An overly broad patent in my opinion as it
seems such a fundamental requirement but I understand Lutron have been
quite vigorous in enforcing it. I think that it fundamentally impacts
Z-Wave and ZigBee functionality resulting in a need to poll devices for
status. Maybe that stops realtime updates from Hue back to HC2, and
Comfort Z-Wave for example can't update HC2 with real time zone status.
So, another possibility. You could possibly use IFTTT to do this - if
you have any controller with IFTTT capability ? IFTTT supports Hue but
not HC2 directly You can use the IFTTT maker channel to trigger a HC2
scene but that requires you open your HC2 to the Internet which you
might not wish to do. Authenticated cloud access to HC2 is problematic.
https://ifttt.com/maker
Or.. you could enlist a Wemo switch (£30ish) or Insight which use IP
for
control. Wemo has a dependable IFTTT channel and so you could indirectly
link Hue and Wemo. Wemos used to be another really bad product but
recent firmware updates have made them pretty reliable again. Wemo is
directly supported by ST and OpenHAB but not by Fibaro (or Vera).
A search through IFTTT's supported channels might even pull up something
you already own that you could use.
I'm sure others will have a few suggestions too...
K
>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/12/2015 13:20, Paul Gale
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">that
the mass market HA devices and controllers all have huge
issues. Do they just under-estimate the amount of effort
required to get these things working I wonder ? or are they
just incompetent?</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
With SmartThings it seems to be an overriding marketing decision to
launch the product, even though it had these known problems. To
launch in the UK when they did was such a bad experience for any
experienced user. However interestingly there is very informed
comment on the forum that overall this was probably the right thing
to do as the grief they are now enduring is actually only being
voiced by a niche of their customers from a volume perspective and
invisible to their mass market.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:DB5PR06MB13025C0C0B2DA9E721E9ABDAA8090@xxxxxxx"
type="cite">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">The
HC2 is still a long way off from working well too it seems
with poor support. My motion sensor LUX level still only
works intermittently. The interface and GUI looks nice but
when you get down to it, it?s still very clunky and isn?t
very useable, let alone by anyone else in the house!</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
Agreed - it's another product with potential but just under invested
in support and development by the manufacturer. The Vera Plus
launches this month too.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">What
I?m wondering currently is if there?s a way to detect a Hue
scene being triggered (or even a hue lamp being triggered)
and then turning on a Z-Wave plug socket? The Hue plugin
doesn?t seem very capable at all unfortunately.</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
I had assumed so, but from what you say obviously not. I don't have
my Hue's connected to Fibaro, they are currently on ST and OpenHAB.
I'll give it a try if I get a moment. Not sure if it's a
poor
plugin design or if it's some other aspect.<br>
<br>
There is a patent held by Lutron that prohibits wireless lights
updating state in real time when operated locally - this maybe
extends to control from another application. An overly broad
patent in my opinion as it seems such a fundamental requirement but
I understand Lutron have been quite vigorous in enforcing it. I
think that it fundamentally impacts Z-Wave and ZigBee functionality
resulting in a need to poll devices for status. Maybe that stops
realtime updates from Hue back to HC2, and Comfort Z-Wave for
example can't update HC2 with real time zone status. <br>
<br>
So, another possibility. You could possibly use IFTTT to do this -
if you have any controller with IFTTT capability ? IFTTT
supports
Hue but not HC2 directly You can use the IFTTT maker channel to
trigger a HC2 scene but that requires you open your HC2 to the
Internet which you might not wish to do. Authenticated cloud access
to HC2 is problematic.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ifttt.com/maker";>https://ifttt.com/maker</a><br>
<br>
Or.. you could enlist a Wemo switch (£30ish) or Insight which use IP
for control. Wemo has a dependable IFTTT channel and so you could
indirectly link Hue and Wemo. Wemos used to be another really bad
product but recent firmware updates have made them pretty reliable
again. Wemo is directly supported by ST and OpenHAB but not by
Fibaro (or Vera). <br>
<br>
A search through IFTTT's supported channels might even pull up
something you already own that you could use.<br>
<br>
I'm sure others will have a few suggestions too... <br>
<br>
K<br>
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