RE: Audio round the house opti ons?

["Craig craigc.lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ukha_d]" <ukha_d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you for the detailed clarification Phil. I know BBC caused the
issue.=
My point in original email was that Sonos don=E2=80=99t appear to be able =
to react and fix the issue as quickly as other manufactures have done.

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I am sure this will not be the last clusterf*** with streaming as there
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so many parties involved and so many points of failure.

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Most customers of products don=E2=80=99t really care whose fault it is
they=
just want their products to work, and reassurance from the manufactures th=
at they can react quickly to new and emerging standards, and future
cluster=
f***=E2=80=99s :)

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BTW - I am glad you caught the pig on Monday :)

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From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 30 June 2015 19:58
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Audio round the house opti ons?

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Just to set the record straight here =E2=80=A6

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The BBC sent out notifications to many streaming audio device
manufacturers=
around October last year that they would be rationalising the formats of t=
heir streaming services and made available test streams for manufacturers
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o check against=E2=80=A6

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I know that we certainly checked against those streams which were
basically=
AAC formatted data and there were no issues so we all stepped back our DEF=
CON status expecting a nice transition=E2=80=A6

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*HOWEVER* what *ACTUALLY* happened was when the BBC did do their
changeover=
they embedded the streams inside an HLS wrapper which meant that everyones=
testing was voided and the HLS format hadn=E2=80=99t even been properly de=
fined at the time =E2=80=A6  so the BBC managed to break their support on
a=
n awful lot of manufacturers hardware and the manufacturers had to go all
o=
ut to try to catch and incredibly well greased pig! (i.e. develop code to
s=
upport a =E2=80=98standard=E2=80=99 that hadn=E2=80=99t even been fully
def=
ined at that stage.)

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The BBC services changeover was such a glorious clusterf*ck that they had
t=
o backtrack and re-instate the broadcast of MP3 streams whilst everyone
els=
e tried to work out what the hell they had done and what spec they were
run=
ning their encoders to as the new HLS test streams that we were being
hande=
d to test against were often themselves changing formats and specs from
one=
day to the next!

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Phil=20=20

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From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 30 June 2015 14:12
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Audio round the house opti ons?

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I agree BBC introduced the issue by changing the technology, although they
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did give notice 9 months ago I believe.

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It is a standards based stream supported by many vendors, Sonos seem to
hav=
e been slower than others to adopt.

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The last 2 pages of comments on the link in my previous post are the
releva=
nt comments.

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From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>  [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 30 June 2015 12:22
To: Ukha_D@xxxxxxx <mailto:Ukha_D@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Audio round the house opti ons?

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After reading that post it looks more like a BBC issue than a Sonos one.
Us=
er comments also refer to problems with these non-standard streams on
other=
hardware like Pure Evoke and Ruark Audio too.=20

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Lots of the first page of comments in that thread also seem to relate to
an=
unrelated general outage of the mp3 streams which was a BBC issue and now =
fixed.

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M.

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Craig craigc.lists@xxxxxxx <mailto=
:craigc.lists@xxxxxxx>  [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukh=
a_d@xxxxxxx> > wrote:

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Sonos seem to have dropped the ball recently with BBC radio streams. I
have=
noticed the streams via Sonos are a lot more un reliable than they have be=
en in the past, and it seems I=E2=80=99m not the only one:

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https://ask.sonos.com/sonos/topics/support-for-bbc-radio-hls-streams

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From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>  [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> ]=20
Sent: 30 June 2015 09:58
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Audio round the house opti ons?

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It's one of those 'just works' products and It's probably the only other
pr=
oduct I'd put in the same category as Apple.=20

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M.

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