Re: Re: Very newbie Homeseer question

[James <james@xxxxxxx>]

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Hi,

There are a few ways of doing this with a HomeSeer setup.
Setting up x10 in both the house and the barn each using a xAP x10
connector and set so that each building will use different house codes.
In HomeSeer you can setup it to route x10 messages to either unit
depending on house code. So say A-F goes to the house and G-P goes to
the barn for example.
Keep HomeSeer exactly as is as far as the house's x10. In the barn
install the x10 conduit from Edward Pearson but configure it to use BSC.
HomeSeer in the house will now prompt you to add the BSC devices. Now in
HomeSeer you'll be able to control and get the status from the remote
devices.
Run a copy of HomeSeer in both buildings. You can then, over xAP, have a
mirror of HomeSeer A's devices on HomeSeer B and vice versa.
All of the above give control and status but with the limits of x10
reliability.
Another way, which Kevin mentioned, is to use the Netiom-xAP and hard
wire the items you want to control to it. The netiom-xAP device will
show up in HomeSeer as normal devices and give control and you get the
advantage of a reliable hardwire solution and it doesn't require a PC on
in the barn.

Hope these methods make sense. As long as you have ethernet between the
two buildings then there's always a way to connect it all up via xAP ;-)

James

tnichols2594 wrote:

>Thanks Kevin,
>
>It seems that a computer at the barn running HS would be able to more
>accurately track status of those devices located at the barn.  If the
>second computer was linked via xAP to the house computer, then the
>main house computer could be updated as to the status of the barn
>devices periodicly.  It sounds like I wasted my time on the serial
>server even though it works (less status).  How reliable would this
>system be? Could I rely on it to control the HVAC in the barn office?
>or the sprinkler system located in that area?  I am also going to add
>cameras at the barn but those could be networked to the main house
>easily.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>TNichols
>
>
>--- In xap_automation@xxxxxxx, Kevin Hawkins <lists@u...>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>  I'm going to leave the HomeSeer  xAP X10 route to James to
>>
>>
>respond on
>
>
>>as he knows better than me - I think there is a workable solution
>>
>>
>there
>
>
>>with xAP as effectively you can have multiple networked X10
>>
>>
>connectors
>
>
>>via a LAN working from one HS application.  One concern might be
>>
>>
>that
>
>
>>keeping things in synch might be a bit of an issue regarding
>>
>>
>relative
>
>
>>dims and also the remote / delayed transfers via the Ethernet
>>
>>
>serial
>
>
>>link. Extended X10 too might be awkward, but Edward might know ???
>>
>>
>The
>
>
>>lack of X10 status may or may not be an issue.  HS makes some
>>
>>
>clever
>
>
>>assumptions to guess/track  the state of X10 devices and
>>
>>
>progressive
>
>
>>errors can creep in here.    Anyway -I think there's another way to
>>approach this... see  below...
>>
>>tnichols2594 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am using homeseer to control multiple devices in my home via
a
>>>smarthome usb interface.  I have a horse barn or stable about
300
>>>yards away that I also need to control the lighting and many
other
>>>devices there.  The barn is connected to the main house via
fiber
>>>
>>>
>and
>
>
>>>the barn office is on the local lan with the main house.
>>>
>>>I installed a Lantronix EPS1 serial server at the barn and then
>>>connected that to a serial X10 interface to enable me to send
X10
>>>commands to the barn via ethernet/lan.  However, I did not
realize
>>>that HS would not allow me to connect two different X10
interfaces
>>>and I need them both.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>There is possibly a hardware kludge available here that would allow
>>
>>
>you
>
>
>>to connect the two serial X10 devices to one serial port - one in
>>
>>
>your
>
>
>>home and one in the barn, but FTTB let me see if we can work out
>>
>>
>another
>
>
>>route...
>>
>>
>>
>>>I was told on the HS message board that xAP would allow me to
do
>>>
>>>
>this
>
>
>>>and wondered if anyone could give me some pointers on what
needed
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>be done or if this could be a reliable control method for the
>>>
>>>
>barn.
>
>
>>>It is too far away for wireless (unless expensive directional
>>>
>>>
>version)
>
>
>>>and not on the same power grid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>A few gotchas there then to the easy solution :-)  ....   I am
>>
>>
>taking as
>
>
>>'a given' that you wish to utilse X10 in the barn as your chosen
>>lighting system...
>>
>>xAP to the rescue I think..
>>    Assuming you would be prepared to have a PC sitting in the
>>
>>
>barn  as
>
>
>>well then you could run another copy of HomeSeer on that and
>>
>>
>actually
>
>
>>'synchronise' HS devices between the two systems using xAP and the
>>
>>
>BSC
>
>
>>schema.  Then you would attach a local X10 connector to that
>>
>>
>Homeseer
>
>
>>machine too and all would be well.   (Or less ideal but this could
>>
>>
>even
>
>
>>be a second PC in the home with your Ethernet serial link to the
>>
>>
>barn
>
>
>>X10).       You would choose which devices were synchronised
>>
>>
>between
>
>
>>the two HomeSeer's such that a script running in your home could
>>
>>
>change
>
>
>>a device that was immediately synched to the other machine in the
>>
>>
>barn.
>
>
>>An X10 light switch in your home could therefore switch a light on
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>off in your barn.   I haven't done this myself but it should work.
>>
>>
>I
>
>
>>believe James used two HomeSeer instances synched this way as his
>>testing model for the xAP plugin.  It should be very fast too
>>
>>
>(except
>
>
>>for the normal X10 delays).   Is thsi second PC a viable path for
>>
>>
>you ??
>
>
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>TNichols
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
There are a few ways of doing this with a HomeSeer setup. <br>
Setting up x10 in both the house and the barn each using a xAP x10
connector and set so that each building will use different house codes.
In HomeSeer you can setup it to route x10 messages to either unit
depending on house code. So say A-F goes to the house and G-P goes to
the barn for example.<br>
Keep HomeSeer exactly as is as far as the house's x10. In the barn
install the x10 conduit from Edward Pearson but configure it to use
BSC. HomeSeer in the house will now prompt you to add the BSC devices.
Now in HomeSeer you'll be able to control and get the status from the
remote devices.<br>
Run a copy of HomeSeer in both buildings. You can then, over xAP, have
a mirror of HomeSeer A's devices on HomeSeer B and vice versa. <br>
All of the above give control and status but with the limits of x10
reliability.<br>
Another way, which Kevin mentioned, is to use the Netiom-xAP and hard
wire the items you want to control to it. The netiom-xAP device will
show up in HomeSeer as normal devices and give control and you get the
advantage of a reliable hardwire solution and it doesn't require a PC
on in the barn.<br>
<br>
Hope these methods make sense. As long as you have ethernet between the
two buildings then there's always a way to connect it all up via xAP
;-)<br>
<br>
James<br>
<br>
tnichols2594 wrote:
<blockquote cite="midda8tdo+g25q@xxxxxxx"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Thanks Kevin,

It seems that a computer at the barn running HS would be able to more
accurately track status of those devices located at the barn.  If the
second computer was linked via xAP to the house computer, then the
main house computer could be updated as to the status of the barn
devices periodicly.  It sounds like I wasted my time on the serial
server even though it works (less status).  How reliable would this
system be? Could I rely on it to control the HVAC in the barn office?
or the sprinkler system located in that area?  I am also going to add
cameras at the barn but those could be networked to the main house
easily.

Thanks for your help.

TNichols


--- In <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>,
Kevin Hawkins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lists@u...";>&lt;lists@u...&gt;</a>
wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hi there,

I'm going to leave the HomeSeer  xAP X10 route to James to
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->respond on
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">as he knows better than me - I think there is
a workable solution
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->there
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">with xAP as effectively you can have multiple
networked X10
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->connectors
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">via a LAN working from one HS application. 
One concern might be
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->that
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">keeping things in synch might be a bit of an
issue regarding
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->relative
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">dims and also the remote / delayed transfers
via the Ethernet
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->serial
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">link. Extended X10 too might be awkward, but
Edward might know ???
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->The
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">lack of X10 status may or may not be an issue.
 HS makes some
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->clever
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">assumptions to guess/track  the state of X10
devices and
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->progressive
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">errors can creep in here.    Anyway -I think
there's another way to
approach this... see  below...

tnichols2594 wrote:

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I am using homeseer to control multiple
devices in my home via a
smarthome usb interface.  I have a horse barn or stable about 300
yards away that I also need to control the lighting and many other
devices there.  The barn is connected to the main house via fiber
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->and
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the barn office is on the local lan with the
main house.

I installed a Lantronix EPS1 serial server at the barn and then
connected that to a serial X10 interface to enable me to send X10
commands to the barn via ethernet/lan.  However, I did not realize
that HS would not allow me to connect two different X10 interfaces
and I need them both.


</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">There is possibly a hardware kludge available
here that would allow
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->you
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">to connect the two serial X10 devices to one
serial port - one in
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->your
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">home and one in the barn, but FTTB let me see
if we can work out
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->another
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">route...

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I was told on the HS message board that xAP
would allow me to do
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->this
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and wondered if anyone could give me some
pointers on what needed
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->to
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">be done or if this could be a reliable control
method for the
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->barn.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">It is too far away for wireless (unless
expensive directional
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->version)
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and not on the same power grid.


</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">A few gotchas there then to the easy solution
:-)  ....   I am
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->taking as
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">'a given' that you wish to utilse X10 in the
barn as your chosen
lighting system...

xAP to the rescue I think..
Assuming you would be prepared to have a PC sitting in the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->barn  as
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">well then you could run another copy of
HomeSeer on that and
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->actually
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">'synchronise' HS devices between the two
systems using xAP and the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->BSC
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">schema.  Then you would attach a local X10
connector to that
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Homeseer
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">machine too and all would be well.   (Or less
ideal but this could
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->even
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">be a second PC in the home with your Ethernet
serial link to the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->barn
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">X10).       You would choose which devices
were synchronised
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->between
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the two HomeSeer's such that a script running
in your home could
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->change
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">a device that was immediately synched to the
other machine in the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->barn.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">An X10 light switch in your home could
therefore switch a light on
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->and
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">off in your barn.   I haven't done this myself
but it should work.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->I
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">believe James used two HomeSeer instances
synched this way as his
testing model for the xAP plugin.  It should be very fast too
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->(except
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">for the normal X10 delays).   Is thsi second
PC a viable path for
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->you ??
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">

Kevin



</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

TNichols






</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->