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They are normal BSC messages, using the State OnOff to signify if the
device is around or not:
xap-header
{
v=12
hop=1
uid=FF441105
Class=xAPBSC.Info
Source=mi4.blue.FAITH:Shanus
}
input.state
{
State=Off
Text=<Without name>
DisplayText=Last Seen 15/06/2008 21:53:55
}
Text shows what the name of the device as it is now being reported.
Display text lets you know when the device was last seen.
the Source sub name is the name of the device as it was first detected.
In the above example you can see that the device when it was last seen
didn't send a name.
Only thing of note is that in Blue 0.1 , bsc.query is broken. It will
be fixed in 0.2 which is out soon. The mentions of 0.2 previously were
of a test release. ( New version will be called 0.3 to avoid confusion)
The source sub name as well as the UID are locked to a device and won't
change. Unless you muck around with the config file that is. They are
based on the bluetooth mac address which is unique per device
Blue can also send any xAP message when a device comes and goes. It has
event files just like Switchboard does, so you can make it send specific
messages if you like.
hth
James
Kevin Hawkins wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to help a guy on the Charmed Quark forum get Bluetooth
> detection working with CQC. Unfortunately I can't test the BT side
> here. Could someone kindly post here a couple of nice example BSC
> messages from Blue - using nice names (assuming it's possible to name
> your discovered devices). Also any examples of other messages he might
> encounter as the KT quoted example looks arather non BSC....
>
> I am assuming that custom named devices persist their UID somehow.
>
> Lastly the title here implies a v 0.2 although the download shows v
> 0.1 - or has it been updated ?
>
> TIA K
>
> turner228 wrote:
> >
> > Hi James
> >
> > I have not had any more error 91's since I loaded Blue 0.2. Seems
> > pretty stable.
> >
> > I now have 28 devices being detected, not bad for a cul-de-sac !
> >
> > Kevin T
> >
> > --- In xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>,
James Traynor
> > <james.traynor@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes an ignore feature would be a good idea, i'll get it
added.
> > > When discovering devices, blue first finds them, then asks
them
> > what
> > > services they support. Until you get the service list you
don't
> > receive
> > > the name. So devices without names would have failed to
receive the
> > > service list. This is also why names come and go, especially
when
> > the
> > > devices at the range limit. Once blue gets a name it
remembers it
> > to
> > > allow it keep sending over xap the name even though it may
not
> > receive it.
> > > Blue=117464070371~02~W880i~120~29/06/2008
21:16:33~<Without name>
> > > 117464070371= Bluetooth ID
> > > 02= xAP UID
> > > W880i= xAP subname
> > > 120=number of seconds before reporting a device gone.
> > > 29/06/2008 21:16:33=When device was last seen
> > > <Without name>=name as reported by bluetooth.
> > >
> > > Good to hear the error has gone away!
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > turner228 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi James
> > > >
> > > > Blue has been running continously now since Friday with
no repeat
> > of
> > > > the Error 91
> > > >
> > > > I have been away for the weekend and Blue has
discovered 13
> > devices
> > > >
> > > > I now know when one nieghbour's wife arrives and leaves
and when
> > the
> > > > other nieghbour turns on his Toshiba laptop...
> > > > Interesting but slightly voyeuristic. Which brings me
to a feature
> > > > request, would it be possible to ignore specified
devices?
> > > > Another reason for this request is that there is one
device, which
> > > > must be on the edge of the range, which is often seen
and then
> > unseen
> > > >
> > > > 7 of the discovered devices have an address of
Withoutname
> > > > here is part of my settings file
> > > >
> > > > Blue=91453779684~01~Withoutname~120~29/06/2008
21:16:55~BT-541
> > > > Blue=117464070371~02~W880i~120~29/06/2008
21:16:33~<Without name>
> > > > Blue=119969368576~03~Kevint~120~29/06/2008
18:09:45~Kevint
> > > > Blue=141869325312~04~JennyT~120~29/06/2008
19:45:56~<Without name>
> > > > Blue=10514181556~05~Withoutname~120~29/06/2008
20:48:39~TOSHIBA
> > > > Blue=8796779016502~06~rx3715~120~27/06/2008
21:43:32~rx3715
> > > > Blue=18764998447377~07~K999~120~29/06/2008
21:16:55~K999
> > > > Blue=133146980371~08~Withoutname~120~29/06/2008
19:48:57~<Without
> > > > name>
> > > > Blue=130007791294~09~Withoutname~120~29/06/2008
20:36:06~<Without
> > > > name>
> > > > Blue=129825244557~10~Withoutname~120~28/06/2008
16:08:12~<Without
> > > > name>
> > > > Blue=127120193053~11~Nokia3110c~120~29/06/2008
18:14:05~<Without
> > name>
> > > > Blue=125231342553~12~Withoutname~120~29/06/2008
14:58:22~<Without
> > > > name>
> > > > Blue=132541263682~13~Withoutname~120~29/06/2008
19:48:56~<Without
> > > > name>
> > > >
> > > > I have noticed that :-
> > > > Some of the named devices have a text value of
"Without name"
> > > > Some of the Withoutname devices have real text values
> > > > Sometimes a device will report a text value of
"Without name "
> > when
> > > > it previously and subsequently had a name. This occurs
on devices
> > > > that have a name and also ththose which are called
Withoutname
> > > >
> > > > Could you explain what is going on here and the
relationship
> > between
> > > > the Bluetooth ID, the device name and the text value?
> > > >
> > > > Also what is the value 120?
> > > >
> > > > From your last post, thanks for the info about
selecting the radio
> > > > device or having multiple instances, judging by the
number of
> > devices
> > > > I am seeing, that probably won't be necessary. I see
that an
> > > > alternative might be improving the aerial, for instance
as
> > described
> > > > here :-
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna-
> <http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna->
> > <http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna-
> <http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna->>
> > modification.php
> > > > <http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna-
> <http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna->
> > <http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna-
> <http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna->>
> > modification.php>
> > > >
> > > > And I think it would be useful to have the ability to
turn off the
> > > > discovery messages
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Kevin T
> > > >
> > > > --- In xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>,
James Traynor
> > > > <james.traynor@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been noticing this too. No idea why
having/not having a
> > tray
> > > > icon
> > > > > causes the bluetooth to timeout but it does. Still
hunting for a
> > > > fix.
> > > > >
> > > > > The other items you mentioned are exactly how it
should happen.
> > The
> > > > > display message, and the tray balloon, only ever
occur once per
> > > > device.
> > > > > Did you want a way to disable it?
> > > > >
> > > > > One thing I didn't mention is that in the config
file you can
> > > > choose the
> > > > > radio number. It defaults to 0 which is the first
found
> > bluetooth
> > > > > dongle, but you can pick any dongle. When Blue
starts up it
> > lists
> > > > all
> > > > > found dongles and shows which is which. So by
making copies of
> > > > Blue and
> > > > > the config file you can run multiple of Blue on a
single PC each
> > > > linked
> > > > > to a different device. I though this may be useful
if you wanted
> > > > one
> > > > > dongle at each end of the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > turner228 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know how you get on
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi James,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What an excellent app! Thanks very much
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can report some small bugs, though
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trying it out on my own pc, running
interactively so I can
> > see the
> > > > > > log window. Running the original service hub,
and intranet
> > > > launcher
> > > > > > 1.8.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have 2 Bluetooth phones running and one
Ipaq RX3715 running
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > > moment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have used 2 Bluetooth USB dongles, a Tevion
v1 and a
> > generivc
> > > > V2,
> > > > > > both with the MS enumerator, with equal
success
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shortly after start up Blue joins the
launcher, It seems to
> > do one
> > > > > > search, finds the phones ok and sends out a
BCS event. Then
> > > > stops, no
> > > > > > log messages. Does not find the Ipaq. The
next BSC info says
> > the
> > > > > > phones have gone away. Blue disappears from
the Launcer menu.
> > Will
> > > > > > reaappear if I stop launcher, but will not
exit, except by
> > Task
> > > > > > manager
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Starting Blue without Launcher it finds all 3
devices,
> > reports BSC
> > > > > > events, then does repeated searches at 30
second intervals,
> > still
> > > > > > finds all devices and reports with BSC infos.
This seems to be
> > > > good
> > > > > > and I assume is the design
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It does not seem necessary for the devices to
be partntered
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > PC for all this to work, and again I assume
this is by design
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just poered up my BT GPS receiver and it
found it straight
> > away
> > > > > > New devices are reported with message.display
regardless of
> > any
> > > > config
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kevin T
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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They are normal BSC messages, using the State OnOff to signify if
the
device is around or not:<br>
xap-header<br>
{<br>
v=12<br>
hop=1<br>
uid=FF441105<br>
Class=xAPBSC.Info<br>
Source=mi4.blue.FAITH:Shanus<br>
}<br>
input.state<br>
{<br>
State=Off<br>
Text=<Without name><br>
DisplayText=Last Seen 15/06/2008 21:53:55<br>
}<br>
<br>
<br>
Text shows what the name of the device as it is now being
reported.<br>
Display text lets you know when the device was last seen.<br>
the Source sub name is the name of the device as it was first detected.
In the above example you can see that the device when it was last seen
didn't send a name.<br>
Only thing of note is that in Blue 0.1 , bsc.query is broken. It
will
be fixed in 0.2 which is out soon. The mentions of 0.2 previously
were
of a test release. ( New version will be called 0.3 to avoid
confusion)<br>
The source sub name as well as the UID are locked to a device and
won't change. Unless you muck around with the config file that
is.
They are based on the bluetooth mac address which is unique per
device<br>
Blue can also send any xAP message when a device comes and goes.
It
has event files just like Switchboard does, so you can make it send
specific messages if you like.<br>
<br>
hth<br>
<br>
James<br>
<br>
Kevin Hawkins wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:48A064C6.4000504@xxxxxxx"
type="cite">
<div id="ygrp-text">
<p>Hi all,<br>
<br>
I'm trying to help a guy on the Charmed Quark forum get Bluetooth
<br>
detection working with CQC. Unfortunately I can't test the BT side
<br>
here. Could someone kindly post here a couple of nice example BSC
<br>
messages from Blue - using nice names (assuming it's possible to name
<br>
your discovered devices). Also any examples of other messages he might
<br>
encounter as the KT quoted example looks arather non BSC....<br>
<br>
I am assuming that custom named devices persist their UID
somehow.<br>
<br>
Lastly the title here implies a v 0.2 although the download shows v
<br>
0.1 - or has it been updated ?<br>
<br>
TIA K<br>
<br>
turner228 wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi James<br>
><br>
> I have not had any more error 91's since I loaded Blue 0.2.
Seems<br>
> pretty stable.<br>
><br>
> I now have 28 devices being detected, not bad for a cul-de-sac
!<br>
><br>
> Kevin T<br>
><br>
> --- In <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
<br>
> <<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:xap_";>mailto:xap_</a><wbr>automation%<wbr>40yahoogroups.<wbr>com>,
James Traynor<br>
> <james.traynor@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > Yes an ignore feature would be a good idea, i'll get it
added.<br>
> > When discovering devices, blue first finds them, then
asks
them<br>
> what<br>
> > services they support. Until you get the service list you
don't<br>
> receive<br>
> > the name. So devices without names would have failed to
receive the<br>
> > service list. This is also why names come and go,
especially
when<br>
> the<br>
> > devices at the range limit. Once blue gets a name it
remembers it<br>
> to<br>
> > allow it keep sending over xap the name even though it
may not<br>
> receive it.<br>
> >
Blue=117464070371~<wbr>02~W880i~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
21:16:33~<Without name><br>
> > 117464070371= Bluetooth ID<br>
> > 02= xAP UID<br>
> > W880i= xAP subname<br>
> > 120=number of seconds before reporting a device
gone.<br>
> > 29/06/2008 21:16:33=When device was last seen<br>
> > <Without name>=name as reported by
bluetooth.<br>
> ><br>
> > Good to hear the error has gone away!<br>
> ><br>
> > James<br>
> ><br>
> > turner228 wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Hi James<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Blue has been running continously now since
Friday with
no repeat<br>
> of<br>
> > > the Error 91<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I have been away for the weekend and Blue has
discovered
13<br>
> devices<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I now know when one nieghbour's wife arrives and
leaves
and when<br>
> the<br>
> > > other nieghbour turns on his Toshiba
laptop...<br>
> > > Interesting but slightly voyeuristic. Which
brings me to
a feature<br>
> > > request, would it be possible to ignore
specified
devices?<br>
> > > Another reason for this request is that there is
one
device, which<br>
> > > must be on the edge of the range, which is often
seen
and then<br>
> unseen<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 7 of the discovered devices have an address of
Withoutname<br>
> > > here is part of my settings file<br>
> > ><br>
> > >
Blue=91453779684~<wbr>01~Withoutname~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
21:16:55~BT-<wbr>541<br>
> > >
Blue=117464070371~<wbr>02~W880i~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
21:16:33~<Without name><br>
> > >
Blue=119969368576~<wbr>03~Kevint~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
18:09:45~Kevint<br>
> > >
Blue=141869325312~<wbr>04~JennyT~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
19:45:56~<Without name><br>
> > >
Blue=10514181556~<wbr>05~Withoutname~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
20:48:39~TOSHIBA<br>
> > >
Blue=8796779016502~<wbr>06~rx3715~<wbr>120~27/06/<wbr>2008
21:43:32~rx3715<br>
> > >
Blue=18764998447377<wbr>~07~K999~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
21:16:55~K999<br>
> > >
Blue=133146980371~<wbr>08~Withoutname~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
19:48:57~<Without<br>
> > > name><br>
> > >
Blue=130007791294~<wbr>09~Withoutname~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
20:36:06~<Without<br>
> > > name><br>
> > >
Blue=129825244557~<wbr>10~Withoutname~<wbr>120~28/06/<wbr>2008
16:08:12~<Without<br>
> > > name><br>
> > >
Blue=127120193053~<wbr>11~Nokia3110c~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
18:14:05~<Without<br>
> name><br>
> > >
Blue=125231342553~<wbr>12~Withoutname~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
14:58:22~<Without<br>
> > > name><br>
> > >
Blue=132541263682~<wbr>13~Withoutname~<wbr>120~29/06/<wbr>2008
19:48:56~<Without<br>
> > > name><br>
> > ><br>
> > > I have noticed that :-<br>
> > > Some of the named devices have a text value of
"Without
name"<br>
> > > Some of the Withoutname devices have real text
values<br>
> > > Sometimes a device will report a text value of
"Without
name "<br>
> when<br>
> > > it previously and subsequently had a name. This
occurs
on devices<br>
> > > that have a name and also ththose which are
called
Withoutname<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Could you explain what is going on here and the
relationship<br>
> between<br>
> > > the Bluetooth ID, the device name and the text
value?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Also what is the value 120?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > From your last post, thanks for the info about
selecting
the radio<br>
> > > device or having multiple instances, judging by
the
number of<br>
> devices<br>
> > > I am seeing, that probably won't be necessary. I
see
that an<br>
> > > alternative might be improving the aerial, for
instance
as<br>
> described<br>
> > > here :-<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna-";>http://www.dngloz.<wbr>com/mods/<wbr>pc-modz/bluetoot<wbr>h-antenna-</a>
<br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna-";>http://www.dngloz.<wbr>com/mods/<wbr>pc-modz/bluetoot<wbr>h-antenna-</a>><br>
> modification.<wbr>php<br>
> > > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna-";>http://www.dngloz.<wbr>com/mods/<wbr>pc-modz/bluetoot<wbr>h-antenna-</a>
<br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dngloz.com/mods/pc-modz/bluetooth-antenna-";>http://www.dngloz.<wbr>com/mods/<wbr>pc-modz/bluetoot<wbr>h-antenna-</a>><br>
> modification.<wbr>php><br>
> > ><br>
> > > And I think it would be useful to have the
ability to
turn off the<br>
> > > discovery messages<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Thanks<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Kevin T<br>
> > ><br>
> > > --- In <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
<br>
> <<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:xap_";>mailto:xap_</a><wbr>automation%<wbr>40yahoogroups.<wbr>com><br>
> > > <<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:xap_";>mailto:xap_</a><wbr>automation%<wbr>40yahoogroups.<wbr>com>,
James Traynor<br>
> > > <james.traynor@<wbr>>
wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I've been noticing this too. No idea
why having/not
having a<br>
> tray<br>
> > > icon<br>
> > > > causes the bluetooth to timeout but it
does. Still
hunting for a<br>
> > > fix.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > The other items you mentioned are
exactly how it
should happen.<br>
> The<br>
> > > > display message, and the tray balloon,
only ever
occur once per<br>
> > > device.<br>
> > > > Did you want a way to disable
it?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > One thing I didn't mention is that in
the config
file you can<br>
> > > choose the<br>
> > > > radio number. It defaults to 0 which is
the first
found<br>
> bluetooth<br>
> > > > dongle, but you can pick any dongle.
When Blue
starts up it<br>
> lists<br>
> > > all<br>
> > > > found dongles and shows which is which.
So by
making copies of<br>
> > > Blue and<br>
> > > > the config file you can run multiple of
Blue on a
single PC each<br>
> > > linked<br>
> > > > to a different device. I though this
may be useful
if you wanted<br>
> > > one<br>
> > > > dongle at each end of the
house.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > James<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > turner228 wrote:<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Let me know how you
get on<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Hi James,<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > What an excellent app! Thanks
very much<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > I can report some small bugs,
though<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Trying it out on my own pc,
running
interactively so I can<br>
> see the<br>
> > > > > log window. Running the
original service hub,
and intranet<br>
> > > launcher<br>
> > > > > 1.8.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > I have 2 Bluetooth phones
running and one Ipaq
RX3715 running<br>
> at<br>
> > > the<br>
> > > > > moment.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > I have used 2 Bluetooth USB
dongles, a Tevion
v1 and a<br>
> generivc<br>
> > > V2,<br>
> > > > > both with the MS enumerator,
with equal success<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Shortly after start up Blue
joins the
launcher, It seems to<br>
> do one<br>
> > > > > search, finds the phones ok
and sends out a
BCS event. Then<br>
> > > stops, no<br>
> > > > > log messages. Does not find
the Ipaq. The next
BSC info says<br>
> the<br>
> > > > > phones have gone away. Blue
disappears from
the Launcer menu.<br>
> Will<br>
> > > > > reaappear if I stop launcher,
but will not
exit, except by<br>
> Task<br>
> > > > > manager<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Starting Blue without Launcher
it finds all 3
devices,<br>
> reports BSC<br>
> > > > > events, then does repeated
searches at 30
second intervals,<br>
> still<br>
> > > > > finds all devices and reports
with BSC infos.
This seems to be<br>
> > > good<br>
> > > > > and I assume is the
design<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > It does not seem necessary for
the devices to
be partntered<br>
> with<br>
> > > the<br>
> > > > > PC for all this to work, and
again I assume
this is by design<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Just poered up my BT GPS
receiver and it found
it straight<br>
> away<br>
> > > > > New devices are reported with
message.display
regardless of<br>
> any<br>
> > > config<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Hope this helps<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Kevin T<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
> <br>
<br>
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