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A PERL and PHP interpreter could definately be ported to my board - if it
runs on a SLUG then the LiveBox would have more than enough grunt.
Althoug=
h
memory is more of a premium as I only have 16Mb.
=20
I see you have various OPNODE devices, I guess the livebox with the
additional hardware would be an a combination of these separate devices.
I=
t
will have 2x 1-wire channels, 4 input channels and 8 output channels (4 for
RF controlled relays, 4 for onboard relays). A controller on steriods. A
lot of the work you've done here would fit well.
=20
As fate would have it I just decommissioned my NSLU so I have one spare to
play with - I'll try out your software and on its native environment to get
a feel for it functionality with a view of porting it to the Livebox
platform. That would rock.
I assume opn-max runs as an XAP compliant application that simply plugs
int=
o
an XAP-HUB ?
=20
The event manager sounds good. Its the one piece of my puzzle that I
hadn'=
t
built a solution for yet. How to manage all the events and create glue
logic that associates input and ouputs to each other. I was looking at
floorplan but the idea of a power hungry PC being on 24/7 just for control
didn't sound like a good idea. Too much juice and too many things out of
my control to go wrong. Don't get me wrong floorplan is great software but
when I roll custom firmware for the livebox I want it turn-key and bullet
proof. OPN-MAX on the Livebox might be the solution I'm looking for.
=20
I've almost completed the C coding of my BSC compliant adapter and have
prototyped up a MEGA-8 AVR with a RF Tx unit and some switches to mimic
sensor inputs. Its all looks pretty go so far. It can now switch on/off
R=
F
controllable relays using xAPBSC.cmd messages and it happily sends
xAPBSC.event's when state changes on my switches. Various heartbeats and
xAPBSC.info messages allow auto discovery of the endpoints.
=20
I need to verify that the xAPBSC query, event, info and cmd's that I'm
generating are correct but I'm fairly confident I've stuck to the spec. As
the XAP Viewer I'm using is happy with the protocol.
=20
Daniel I'll contact you again after I've had a play with opn-max to see
wha=
t
it can do.
=20
_____=20=20
From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx=
]
On Behalf Of Daniel Berenguer
Sent: 04 November 2008 12:25
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
Subject: [xap_automation] Re: Hello all
Hi Brett!
Opn-max could indeed be ported to your platform very easily. Then its
a matter of extending the code with RS232 comms I guess. Opn-max also
has a Perl interpreter embedded into the application so that any xAP
BSC event can trigger a Perl script. The part where I feel more proud
is the event manager. This engine allows the definition of events from
a simple web page.
Anyway, feel free to contact me if you need some help.
Regards,
Daniel.
--- In xap_automation@ <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Brett" <brett@...> wrote:
>
> I have an NSLU2 and I'm very familiar with hacking this device.=20
They are
> indeed very small and quite capable devices in fact I run one as my
DNS
> cache, openvpn client/server, ftp and httpd on my LAN.
>=20
> The software for opnode looks interesting I've not seen this before
so I'll
> have a dig around. I really like the idea of xAP as a glue layer to
> control the behaviour and interactions of xAP compliant devices.=20
This is
> very attractive.
>=20
> I've been thinking about using the LiveBox to interface with custom
serial
> devices. By default the livebox has only a single serial port
however the
> number of RS232 ports on the Livebox can be easily extended by using a
> PL-2303 USB/RS232 dongle, the driver compiles easily for the Livebox
and
> I've tested that it works. From this I was going to use an AVR micro,
> programmed up with BASCOM, to control RF units. I like the idea of
no wires
> and RF is well suited for the job. Consumer RF units are cheap
these day
> with LIDL selling 4 points and an RF transmitter for =A313. Tapping
into the
> remote you can easily decode the RF pulse train and reproduce this
from an
> AVR. Interfaced with the LiveBox and you now have IP to RF
capability. You
> couldn't build this from scratch for this price so I figure hacking
off the
> shelf items is much quicker way to add value.
>=20
> Brett
>=20
> _____=20
>=20
> From: xap_automation@ <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:xap_automation@ <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of max barker
> Sent: 14 October 2008 21:36
> To: xap_automation@ <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [xap_automation] Hello all
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> There's a lot of linux based xAP applications at http://patrick.
> <http://patrick.
<http://patrick.lidstone.net/haweb/ha/>
lidstone.net/haweb/ha/> lidstone.net/haweb/ha/ That
might
> get you started and give you a few ideas.=20
> There's an embedded xAP controller based around a hacked Linksys
NSLU2 which
> is pretty feature rich and stable http://www.opnode.
<http://www.opnode.
<http://www.opnode.org> org>
> org The code for the OPN-MAX project might be something you can
reuse on the
> livebox.
>=20
> The xAP developers mailing list is at http://tech.
> <http://tech. <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/xAP_developer/>
groups.yahoo.com/group/xAP_developer/>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/xAP_developer/
>=20
> What uses do you have in mind for the livebox?
>=20
> Max
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 2008/10/13 dbzoo_com <brett@dbzoo. <mailto:brett@...> com>
>=20
>=20
> I'm a new member so I thought I'd drop a quick email to say
"Hello
> world". It works for new languages so what not for email!
>=20
> How did I run across this forum?
> I've been hacking away on this
> http://www.dbzoo.
<http://www.dbzoo.
<http://www.dbzoo.com/wiki/livebox/livebox>
com/wiki/livebox/livebox>
> com/wiki/livebox/livebox and got to the point where I
> could re-write all the firmware.
>=20
> Then I thought "What I really need is a good home automation
protocol
> that could be used to control serial devices from it". I bit like
the
> rabbit node I guess. However I've got more grunt and capability.
> Bluetooth, Wifi, USB and 2x 10/100Mb NICS.
>=20
> That got me onto the xAP protocol and here I am.
>=20
> I think these devices would be a great candidates for turning into
> xAP-in-a-box solutions. They can bought very cheaply and are readily
> hackable.
>=20
> What do you guys reckon? Anyone won't to point in the right direction
> to getting one of these kitted out as an xAP appliance.
>=20
> Brett
>=20
>=20
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>A PERL and PHP interpreter
could definat=
ely be=20
ported to my board - if it runs on a SLUG then the LiveBox would have more
=
than=20
enough grunt. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Although memory is more of a
premium =
as I only=20
have 16Mb.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I see you have various OPNODE devices, I guess
the=
livebox=20
with the additional hardware would be an a combination of these separate=20
devices. It will have 2x 1-wire channels, 4 input channels and 8
outp=
ut=20
channels (4 for RF controlled relays, 4 for onboard
relays). A=20
controller on steriods. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=3D209513112-04112008><FON=
T=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>A lot of the work you've
done he=
re would=20
fit well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As fate would have it I just decommissioned my
NSL=
U so I=20
have one spare to play with - I'll try out your software and on its native=
=20
environment to get a feel for it functionality with a view of porting it
to=
the=20
Livebox platform. That would
rock.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I assume opn-max runs as an XAP
compliant app=
lication=20
that simply plugs into an XAP-HUB
?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The event manager sounds good. Its
the one p=
iece of=20
my puzzle that I hadn't built a solution for yet. How to manage
all t=
he=20
events and create glue logic that associates input and ouputs to each=20
other. I was looking at floorplan but the idea of a power hungry
PC b=
eing=20
on 24/7 just for control didn't sound like a good idea.
Too muc=
h=20
juice and too many things out of my control to go
wrong. Don't g=
et me=20
wrong floorplan is great software but when I roll custom firmware for
the=20
livebox I want it turn-key and bullet proof.
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>OPN-=
MAX on the=20
Livebox might be the solution I'm looking
for.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I've almost completed the C coding
of my BSC =
compliant=20
adapter and have prototyped up a MEGA-8 AVR with a RF Tx unit and some
swit=
ches=20
to mimic sensor inputs. Its all looks pretty go so far.
It can =
now=20
switch on/off RF controllable relays using xAPBSC.cmd messages and it
happi=
ly=20
sends xAPBSC.event's when state changes on my switches. Various
heart=
beats=20
and xAPBSC.info messages allow auto discovery of the=20
endpoints.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
class=3D209513112-04112008><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I need to verify that the xAPBSC query, event,
inf=
o and=20
cmd's that I'm generating are correct but I'm fairly confident I've stuck
t=
o the=20
spec. As the XAP Viewer I'm using is happy with the=20
protocol.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
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rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Daniel I'll contact you again after I've had a
pla=
y with=20
opn-max to see what it can do.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B>
xap_automation@xxxxxxx=20
[mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Daniel=20
Berenguer<BR><B>Sent:</B> 04 November 2008
12:25<BR><B>To:</B>=20
xap_automation@xxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[xap_automation] Re: Hell=
o=20
all<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dygrp-text>
<P>Hi Brett!<BR><BR>Opn-max could indeed be ported to
your platform very ea=
sily.=20
Then its<BR>a matter of extending the code with RS232 comms I guess.
Opn-ma=
x=20
also<BR>has a Perl interpreter embedded into the application so that
any=20
xAP<BR>BSC event can trigger a Perl script. The part where I feel
more=20
proud<BR>is the event manager. This engine allows the definition of
events=
=20
from<BR>a simple web page.<BR><BR>Anyway, feel free to
contact me if you ne=
ed=20
some
help.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Daniel.<BR><BR>---
In <A=20
href=3D"mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@<WBR>yahoog=
roups.<WBR>com</A>,=20
"Brett" <brett@...>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> I have an NSLU2 and I'm ve=
ry=20
familiar with hacking this device. <BR>They are<BR>>
indeed very small a=
nd=20
quite capable devices in fact I run one as my DNS<BR>> cache,
openvpn=20
client/server, ftp and httpd on my LAN.<BR>>
<BR>> The software for o=
pnode=20
looks interesting I've not seen this before<BR>so
I'll<BR>> have a dig=20
around. I really like the idea of xAP as a glue layer to<BR>>
control th=
e=20
behaviour and interactions of xAP compliant devices. <BR>This
is<BR>> ve=
ry=20
attractive.<BR>> <BR>> I've been thinking about
using the LiveBox to=
=20
interface with custom<BR>serial<BR>> devices. By default
the livebox has=
only=20
a single serial port<BR>however the<BR>> number of RS232
ports on the Li=
vebox=20
can be easily extended by using a<BR>> PL-2303 USB/RS232
dongle, the dri=
ver=20
compiles easily for the Livebox and<BR>> I've tested that it
works. From=
this=20
I was going to use an AVR micro,<BR>> programmed up with
BASCOM, to cont=
rol=20
RF units. I like the idea of<BR>no wires<BR>> and RF is
well suited for =
the=20
job. Consumer RF units are cheap<BR>these day<BR>> with
LIDL selling 4 p=
oints=20
and an RF transmitter for =A313. Tapping<BR>into
the<BR>> remote you can=
easily=20
decode the RF pulse train and reproduce this<BR>from
an<BR>> AVR. Interf=
aced=20
with the LiveBox and you now have IP to RF<BR>capability.
You<BR>> could=
n't=20
build this from scratch for this price so I figure hacking<BR>off
the<BR>&g=
t;=20
shelf items is much quicker way to add value.<BR>>
<BR>> Brett<BR>>=
;=20
<BR>> _____ <BR>> <BR>> From:
<A=20
href=3D"mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@<WBR>yahoog=
roups.<WBR>com</A><BR>[mailto:<A=20
href=3D"mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@<WBR>yahoog=
roups.<WBR>com</A>]<BR>>=20
On Behalf Of max barker<BR>> Sent: 14 October 2008
21:36<BR>> To: <A=
=20
href=3D"mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@<WBR>yahoog=
roups.<WBR>com</A><BR>>=20
Subject: Re: [xap_automation] Hello all<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=
=20
<BR>> There's a lot of linux based xAP applications at
<A=20
href=3D"http://patrick.";>http://patrick.</A><BR>>
<<A=20
href=3D"http://patrick.lidstone.net/haweb/ha/";>http://patrick.<WBR>lidstone=
.<WBR>net/haweb/<WBR>ha/</A>>=20
lidstone.net/<WBR>haweb/ha/ That<BR>might<BR>> get
you started and give =
you a=20
few ideas. <BR>> There's an embedded xAP controller based
around a hacke=
d=20
Linksys<BR>NSLU2 which<BR>> is pretty feature rich and
stable <A=20
href=3D"http://www.opnode.";>http://www.opnode.</A><BR><<A=20
href=3D"http://www.opnode.org";>http://www.opnode.<WBR>org</A>><BR>>
o=
rg The=20
code for the OPN-MAX project might be something you can<BR>reuse on
the<BR>=
>=20
livebox.<BR>> <BR>> The xAP developers mailing
list is at <A=20
href=3D"http://tech.";>http://tech.</A><BR>>
<<A=20
href=3D"http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/xAP_developer/";>http://tech.<WBR=
>groups.yahoo.<WBR>com/group/<WBR>xAP_developer/</A>><BR>>=20
groups.yahoo.<WBR>com/group/<WBR>xAP_developer/<BR>>
<BR>> What uses =
do=20
you have in mind for the livebox?<BR>> <BR>>
Max<BR>> <BR>> <BR=
>>=20
<BR>> 2008/10/13 dbzoo_com <brett@dbzoo. <mailto:brett@<WBR>...>=
;=20
com><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I'm a
new member so I thought I'd drop a =
quick=20
email to say "Hello<BR>> world". It works for new
languages so what not =
for=20
email!<BR>> <BR>> How did I run across this
forum?<BR>> I've been=
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.</A>=20
<<A=20
href=3D"http://www.dbzoo.com/wiki/livebox/livebox";>http://www.dbzoo.<WBR>co=
m/wiki/<WBR>livebox/livebox</A>><BR>>=20
com/wiki/livebox/<WBR>livebox and got to the point where
I<BR>> could=20
re-write all the firmware.<BR>> <BR>> Then I
thought "What I really n=
eed=20
is a good home automation protocol<BR>> that could be used to
control se=
rial=20
devices from it". I bit like the<BR>> rabbit node I
guess. However I've =
got=20
more grunt and capability.<BR>> Bluetooth, Wifi, USB and 2x
10/100Mb=20
NICS.<BR>> <BR>> That got me onto the xAP
protocol and here I am.<BR>=
>=20
<BR>> I think these devices would be a great candidates for
turning=20
into<BR>> xAP-in-a-box solutions. They can bought very cheaply
and are=20
readily<BR>> hackable.<BR>> <BR>>
What do you guys reckon? Anyone =
won't=20
to point in the right direction<BR>> to getting one of these
kitted out =
as an=20
xAP appliance.<BR>> <BR>> Brett<BR>>
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