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Re: Re: xFx Hub and viewer - latest builds?
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Whilst it is undoubtedly convenient if you do only ever run one xAP
app that it can run standalone without a hub it just caused so many
frustrations and support issues when/if a second app was added that we
now absolutely discourage it, at least as the default behaviour.. An
app that can itself act as a xAP hub is more justifiable , but still
discouraged. Startup order and quit dependencies should not have to be
considered by the users, it just makes it too prone to failure.
Viewer I agree is the one xAP application that could be forgiven,
even preferred, if it could automatically adopt a hub role as it is
vital for diagnostics. I'm not sure why that capability was removed,
maybe there's still a manual config file edit option to re-enable it ... ?
K
On 21/10/2010 14:54, Brett England wrote:
>
> Agreed. If you are running multiple applications that need to read
> port 3639 you need a hub. But in my case I have ONE application
> running xfxViewer4 therefore I should not need a hub in order for it
> to work. This is my issue. V4 won't get data unless I run a hub which
> is NOT how things should be.
>
> Brett
>
> --- In xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>,
Kevin Hawkins
> <yahoogroupskh@...> wrote:
> >
> > xAP applications require a xAP hub when running on a PC . It has
> > been discouraged to allow a xAP application to ever startup and
acquire
> > port 3639 (the xAP port) as this meant all later started xAP
> > applications, including hubs would be deaf. Previous Viewer
versions
> > were different in that they implemented an inbuilt xAP hub if
they
> > couldn't find one , the disadvantage is that other apps then
become
> > dependant on Viewer remaining running.
> >
> > It looks like v4 doesn't offer this , and so requires an external
hub
> > (recommend a Windows service) .
> >
> > http://www.erspearson.com/xAP/xFx/hubs_main.htm
> >
> > I had a quick look through Viewers config menus but couldn't find
an
> > option to enable it as a hub. Having Viewer with an inbuilt hub
> > ability was most useful for new xAP users as it helped in
diagnosis
> (one
> > less thing to have to get installed) and so I think it was a
useful
> > option. But it is a liability too as quitting a Viewer instance
> > providing hub functionality would cause other applications to
become
> deaf.
> >
> > K
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19/10/2010 14:36, Brett England wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what is going on but V4.1 doesn't display any
messages;
> > > Nil, nix, Nudda.
> > >
> > > It could be that I have multiple NIC's, with different
network
> > > segments, attached to my machine and its not listening on
the right
> > > subnet.
> > >
> > > If I fire up V3 first so it becomes a HUB then fire up V4 it
gets
> > > messages, but that's not ideal.
> > >
> > > Brett
> > >
> > > --- In xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Edward Pearson" <xap@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The latest, v4.1, is now available via
> > > >
> > > > http://www.erspearson.com/xAP/xFx/viewer_main.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Feedback gladly received
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Edward
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > > > On Behalf Of Paul Gale
> > > > Sent: 10 October 2010 09:29
> > > > To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and viewer -
latest builds?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Edward,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you have a later version of iViewer released than
> v3.3.3054.30958?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to have a look at v4 if it's available?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Paul.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > > > On Behalf Of Paul Gale
> > > > Sent: 17 August 2010 17:05
> > > > To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and viewer -
latest builds?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Edward,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have you released v4 viewer yet?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Paul.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > > > On Behalf Of Paul Gale
> > > > Sent: 09 August 2010 09:39
> > > > To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and viewer -
latest builds?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ah, I think it was viewer v4 I was mainly after.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BSC device view etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, does v4 have the ability to resize the window by
dragging
> > > window sides
> > > > rather than just the bottom RH corner? That would be a
great
> > > modification if
> > > > so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Paul.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > > > On Behalf Of Edward Pearson
> > > > Sent: 08 August 2010 23:43
> > > > To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and viewer -
latest builds?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The ones on the website are the latest releases. What
features
> were you
> > > > looking for?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > > > On Behalf Of Paul Gale
> > > > Sent: 02 August 2010 17:09
> > > > To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and viewer - latest
builds?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Probably one for Edward:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to get hold of the latest builds of the
hub
> (service) and
> > > > viewer? I think you were working on a newer version
than that on
> > > your web
> > > > site?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Paul.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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Whilst it is undoubtedly convenient if you do only
ever run one
xAP app that it can run standalone without a hub it just caused so
many frustrations and support issues when/if a second
app was
added that we now absolutely discourage it, at least as the default
behaviour.. An app that can itself act as a xAP hub is
more
justifiable , but still discouraged. Startup order and
quit
dependencies should not have to be considered by the users, it just
makes it too prone to failure. <br>
<br>
Viewer I agree is the one xAP application that could
be forgiven,
even preferred, if it could automatically adopt a hub role as it
is
vital for diagnostics. I'm not sure why that capability was
removed, maybe there's still a manual config file edit option to
re-enable it ... ? <br>
<br>
K<br>
<br>
On 21/10/2010 14:54, Brett England wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:i9pgn0+e4sd@xxxxxxx"
type="cite">
<span style="display: none;"> </span>
<div id="ygrp-text">
<p>Agreed. If you are running multiple applications that
need to read port 3639 you need a hub. But in my case I
have ONE application running xfxViewer4 therefore I should
not need a hub in order for it to work. This is my issue.
V4 won't get data unless I run a hub which is NOT how
things should be.<br>
<br>
Brett<br>
<br>
--- In <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>,
Kevin Hawkins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:yahoogroupskh@...";><yahoogroupskh@...></a>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> xAP applications require a xAP hub when running on a
PC . It has <br>
> been discouraged to allow a xAP application to ever
startup and acquire <br>
> port 3639 (the xAP port) as this meant all later
started xAP <br>
> applications, including hubs would be deaf. Previous
Viewer versions <br>
> were different in that they implemented an inbuilt
xAP hub if they <br>
> couldn't find one , the disadvantage is that other
apps then become <br>
> dependant on Viewer remaining running.<br>
> <br>
> It looks like v4 doesn't offer this , and so requires
an external hub <br>
> (recommend a Windows service) .<br>
> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.erspearson.com/xAP/xFx/hubs_main.htm";>http://www.erspearson.com/xAP/xFx/hubs_main.htm</a><br>
> <br>
> I had a quick look through Viewers config menus but
couldn't find an <br>
> option to enable it as a hub. Having Viewer with an
inbuilt hub <br>
> ability was most useful for new xAP users as it
helped in diagnosis (one <br>
> less thing to have to get installed) and so I think
it was a useful <br>
> option. But it is a liability too as quitting a
Viewer instance <br>
> providing hub functionality would cause other
applications to become deaf.<br>
> <br>
> K<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 19/10/2010 14:36, Brett England wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm not sure what is going on but V4.1 doesn't
display any messages; <br>
> > Nil, nix, Nudda.<br>
> ><br>
> > It could be that I have multiple NIC's, with
different network <br>
> > segments, attached to my machine and its not
listening on the right <br>
> > subnet.<br>
> ><br>
> > If I fire up V3 first so it becomes a HUB then
fire up V4 it gets <br>
> > messages, but that's not ideal.<br>
> ><br>
> > Brett<br>
> ><br>
> > --- In <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>,
"Edward Pearson" <xap@> <br>
> > wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The latest, v4.1, is now available via<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.erspearson.com/xAP/xFx/viewer_main.htm";>http://www.erspearson.com/xAP/xFx/viewer_main.htm</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Feedback gladly received<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Edward<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>
<br>
> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>]<br>
> > > On Behalf Of Paul Gale<br>
> > > Sent: 10 October 2010 09:29<br>
> > > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a><br>
> > > Subject: RE: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and
viewer - latest builds?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Hi Edward,<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Do you have a later version of iViewer
released than v3.3.3054.30958?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > I'd love to have a look at v4 if it's
available?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Many thanks,<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Paul.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>
<br>
> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>]<br>
> > > On Behalf Of Paul Gale<br>
> > > Sent: 17 August 2010 17:05<br>
> > > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a><br>
> > > Subject: RE: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and
viewer - latest builds?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Hi Edward,<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Have you released v4 viewer yet?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Many thanks,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Paul.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>
<br>
> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>]<br>
> > > On Behalf Of Paul Gale<br>
> > > Sent: 09 August 2010 09:39<br>
> > > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a><br>
> > > Subject: RE: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and
viewer - latest builds?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Ah, I think it was viewer v4 I was mainly
after.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > BSC device view etc.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Also, does v4 have the ability to resize
the window by dragging <br>
> > window sides<br>
> > > rather than just the bottom RH corner? That
would be a great <br>
> > modification if<br>
> > > so.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Cheers,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Paul.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>
<br>
> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>]<br>
> > > On Behalf Of Edward Pearson<br>
> > > Sent: 08 August 2010 23:43<br>
> > > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a><br>
> > > Subject: RE: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and
viewer - latest builds?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > The ones on the website are the latest
releases. What features were you<br>
> > > looking for?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>
<br>
> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a>]<br>
> > > On Behalf Of Paul Gale<br>
> > > Sent: 02 August 2010 17:09<br>
> > > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</a>
<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com";><mailto:xap_automation%40yahoogroups.com></a><br>
> > > Subject: [xap_automation] xFx Hub and
viewer - latest builds?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Probably one for Edward:<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Is it possible to get hold of the latest
builds of the hub (service) and<br>
> > > viewer? I think you were working on a newer
version than that on <br>
> > your web<br>
> > > site?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Many thanks,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Paul.<br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
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