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I originally wrote the plugin using a UDP listener and then I migrated
to using iServer running on my LiveBox Home Automation Hub. I didn't
experience issues with the UDP socket but maybe I didn't stay long
enough with that path. I'm also using a Vera 3 and not very familiar
with the Vera 2. Vera 2 runs UI5 ? I'll need to revisit UDP and double
check
..... but I'm guessing you might already have iServer running on an O2
Joggler do you ? ;-)
Just for info for anyone else reading this iServer is basically a TCP
connection to a xAP gateway and you can register device filters so that
only xAP devices you are interested in pass messages across the
connection. This has obvious advantages in that traffic is minimised
and you also don't have to check every message on the Vera as to whether
it is of interest. Helps with performance, and also can be used to
route xAP across the Internet.
The plugin currently works the other way around to yours, discovering
xAP BSC devices (that match a filter) and auto creating matching Vera
devices. It doesn't expose the existing Vera devices to xAP reporting /
control but I don't think that would be difficult to add and is
obviously a useful thing to do as it would allow Vera device types to
become xAP enabled.. an easy path to Z-Wave via xAP for example.
cheers Kevin
On 22/01/2014 11:29, Martyn Wendon wrote:
>
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Definitely interested in xAP â?? I actually wrote a really simple
> plugin myself a while back (few years maybe?), but itâ??s
broadcast
> only, so just monitors local devices on the Vera and sends BSC event
> messages for them. Itâ??s really basic and has several issues,
but
> itâ??s stable and been working ok for me. I control devices on
the
> Vera *from* xap just using the http interface, e.g. from Floorplan I
> can just call say:
>
>
http://vera:3480/data_request?id=lu_action&DeviceNum1&serviceId=urn:upnp-org:serviceId:SwitchPower1&action=SetTarget&newTargetValue=1
>
>
>
>
>
to turn a device on.
>
> Works ok, but a slight lag, so obviously not as good as having 2 way
> xAP on Vera itself.
>
> I did mess with 2 way before I settled on this hybrid thing, but if
> I remember correctly I couldnâ??t get it stable, something to do
with
> keeping a socket permanently open for listening wasnâ??t working
well
> on my Vera 2.
>
> Vera is a pretty good device, Iâ??ve slowly been migrating all my
HA
> stuff to Z-Wave for the past 3 years or so. But yes, MCV are
> shocking â?? theyâ??re putting almost all their efforts into
new OEM
> ventures and leaving the DIY community behind Sad smile
>
> But I hear that they might be releasing an interim update to Vera
> UI6 to pave the way to UI7 later in the year. It will be interesting
> to see what UI6 brings, thereâ??s certainly enough issues with
Vera
> that need fixing.....
>
>
> Happy to look at your xAP plugin, would have to try and run it in
> parallel though so as not to break my existing sort-of-working setup
> Smile
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martyn
>
> *From:* Kevin Hawkins <mailto:yahoogroupskh@xxxxxxx>
*Sent:*
> Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:58 AM *To:*
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> [xap_automation] Anyone using a MiCasaVerde Vera ?
>
>
>
> I'm just playing around with a xAP plugin for Vera... and was
> wondering if anyone else had an interest in this. It's basic at
> the moment handling BSC binary and level devices but has been
> working solidly for a couple of months. It could do with a couple
> more features to complete so was just exploring if there was any
> interest here ?
>
> Overall I'm quite impressed with Vera although the support from MCV
> seems to be almost non existant nowadays. I was hoping the Vera Pro
> would be around by now or UI7.
>
> Is xAP something you might use on the Vera or is it pretty much
> doing all you need already ?
>
> Kevin
>
> On 21/01/2014 19:58, Martyn Wendon wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, I am :-)
>>
>> Anything I can help with?
>>
>> Martyn
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hawkins Sent: Tuesday,
>> January 21, 2014 12:31 PM To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: [xap_automation] Anyone using a MiCasaVerde Vera ?
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>> Just wondering if anyone here is also using a Vera home controller
>> ?
>>
>> Kevin
>>
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I originally wrote the plugin using a UDP listener and then I
migrated to using iServer running on my LiveBox Home Automation
Hub. I didn't experience issues with the UDP socket but maybe I
didn't stay long enough with that path.  I'm also
using a Vera 3
and not very familiar with the Vera 2. Vera 2 runs UI5
? I'll need
to revisit UDP and double check <br>
<br>
..... but I'm guessing you might already have iServer running on an
O2 Joggler do you
?     Â
;-)<br>
<br>
Just for info for anyone else reading this iServer is basically a
TCP connection to a xAP gateway and you can register device filters
so that only xAP devices you are interested in pass messages across
the connection.  This has obvious advantages in that
traffic is
minimised and you also don't have to check every message on the Vera
as to whether it is of interest.  Helps with
performance, and also
can be used to route xAP across the Internet.<br>
<br>
The plugin currently works the other way around to yours,
discovering xAP BSC devices (that match a filter) and auto creating
matching Vera devices. It doesn't expose the existing Vera
devices
to xAP reporting / control but I don't think that would be difficult
to add and is obviously a useful thing to do as it would allow
Vera
device types to become xAP enabled.. an easy path to Z-Wave via xAP
for example.<br>
<br>
 cheers Kevin<br>
<br>
<br>
On 22/01/2014 11:29, Martyn Wendon wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> <br>
> <br>
> Hi Kevin,<br>
> <br>
> Definitely interested in xAP â?? I actually wrote a really
simple <br>
> plugin myself a while back (few years maybe?), but itâ??s
broadcast <br>
> only, so just monitors local devices on the Vera and sends
BSC event <br>
> messages for them. Itâ??s really basic and has
several issues,
but <br>
> itâ??s stable and been working ok for me. I
control devices on
the <br>
> Vera *from* xap just using the http interface, e.g. from
Floorplan I <br>
> can just call say:<br>
> <br>
>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://vera:3480/data_request?id=lu_action&DeviceNum1&serviceId=urn:upnp-org:serviceId:SwitchPower1&action=SetTarget&newTargetValue=1";>http://vera:3480/data_request?id=lu_action&DeviceNum1&serviceId=urn:upnp-org:serviceId:SwitchPower1&action=SetTarget&newTargetValue=1</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> </span><br>
to turn a device on.<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> <br>
> Works ok, but a slight lag, so obviously not as good as
having 2 way <br>
> xAP on Vera itself.<br>
> <br>
> I did mess with 2 way before I settled on this hybrid thing,
but if<br>
> I remember correctly I couldnâ??t get it stable, something to
do with <br>
> keeping a socket permanently open for listening wasnâ??t
working well <br>
> on my Vera 2.<br>
> <br>
> Vera is a pretty good device, Iâ??ve slowly been migrating
all
my HA <br>
> stuff to Z-Wave for the past 3 years or so. But yes,
MCV are
<br>
> shocking â?? theyâ??re putting almost all their efforts
into new
OEM <br>
> ventures and leaving the DIY community behind Sad smile<br>
> <br>
> But I hear that they might be releasing an interim update to
Vera<br>
> UI6 to pave the way to UI7 later in the year. It will
be
interesting<br>
> to see what UI6 brings, thereâ??s certainly enough issues
with
Vera<br>
> that need fixing.....<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Happy to look at your xAP plugin, would have to try and run
it in <br>
> parallel though so as not to break my existing
sort-of-working setup <br>
> Smile<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> <br>
> Martyn<br>
> <br>
> *From:* Kevin Hawkins
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:yahoogroupskh@xxxxxxx";><mailto:yahoogroupskh@xxxxxxx></a>
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*Subject:* Re:
<br>
> [xap_automation] Anyone using a MiCasaVerde Vera ?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I'm just playing around with a xAP plugin for Vera...Â
and
was <br>
> wondering if anyone else had an interest in
this.  It's
basic at<br>
> the moment handling BSC binary and level devices but has
been<br>
> working solidly for a couple of months. It could do
with a
couple<br>
> more features to complete so was just exploring if there was
any<br>
> interest here ?<br>
> <br>
> Overall I'm quite impressed with Vera although the support
from MCV <br>
> seems to be almost non existant nowadays. I was hoping
the
Vera Pro <br>
> would be around by now or UI7.<br>
> <br>
> Is xAP something you might use on the Vera or is it pretty
much<br>
> doing all you need already ?<br>
> <br>
> Kevin<br>
> <br>
> On 21/01/2014 19:58, Martyn Wendon wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Yes, I am :-)<br>
>> <br>
>> Anything I can help with?<br>
>> <br>
>> Martyn<br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hawkins Sent:
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>> January 21, 2014 12:31 PM To:
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>> Just wondering if anyone here is also using a Vera home
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>> <br>
>> Kevin<br>
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