Re: Re: OT - DVD writers

["Jason Lee" <jasonjlee@xxxxxxx>]

Mark,

If you read thru my post I said I wouldn't trust *the backup* to a single disk. As in, I have my hard disk, and have a backup. That backup should not=
be a single hd in my opinion.

I gave calc's on cheapness but that depends on how much your backing up and=
when.

I also gave the circumstances that, doing exactly what you suggested here, = I
lost 2 weeks work. It was bad luck, but it happened.

Also, if you trust this method so much, why do you have another backup bein= g
made by the ISP?

So I think we can agree to disagree. At least, I don't want to ping-pong this all day. I've got x10 wiring to learn about!

J


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers


> Jason,
>
> But you're not trusting it to a single HD.... you're making a BACKUP o= n a
different one... that's the point!
>
> I'm not disagreeing that DVD-writers have other benefits, but if all you're looking for is a backup, then they aren't the cheapest solution.
>
> The point about a backup is that it's an EXTRA copy... so you don't ha= ve a
single point of failure anywhere.
>
> M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Lee [mailto:jasonjlee@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sun 07/07/2002 00:32
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx > Cc:
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
>
>
>
> To me, anything that is important enough to not lose, I wouldn't trust= the
> backup to a single hd.
>
> They fail.
>
> As they did when *TWO* 75Gig Ibms died without warning, taking 2 weeks= of
> coding with it. (I was lucky I had been backing up to the dvd-ram befo= re
> then). As your in IT I think you will know the drives I am referring t= oo.
I
> had them just after launch when the great reviews were around, before = the
> faulty units started to appear. If I remember correctly it was somethi= ng
to
> do with when they bought the Hungary factory online. I don't make the = same
> mistake twice, so I won't trust HD for backups again.
>
> Now HD space cheaper than dvd-r?
>
> 89p for 4.3g DVD-RW
> Say 10 disks.. =C2=A38.90. 43gig..
> Now you have to factor in the cost of the dvd-r etc,etc, but as I said=
> before dvd writers have side benefits.
> (But then in your example you factor in the pc which you costed at =C2= =A3200.)
>
> And you have to manage the media, but thats not too bad.
>
> What I'm after is an affordable DVD autoloader. If Yamaha Japan would = just
> reply to my emails..
>
> Anyway, I think we can agree to disagree. To each his own.
>
> J
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx><= BR> > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
>
>
> > Jason,
> >
> > As I said - "if your requirement is simply _backup_". > >
> > I _am_ prepared to put _backups_ on a non-RAID HDD... because _ba= ckup_
> means "spare copy".
> >
> > I was over-simplifying about the archive usage - the HDD is quest= ion is,
> itself, backed up, to an Application Service Provider with a full HSM<= BR> backup
> offering that does a full delta-block backup... I'm guessing, however,=
that
> this would be out of Ray's price range if he's talking about buying a<= BR> > DVD-writer :-)
> >
> > The point was that hard disk space is, now, rather cheaper than t= ape, or
> blank optical media... so if the solution really is a _backup_, a copy= to
> another PC is actually the cheapest way to go. I know that a number of=
> people on this group use _removable_ IDE drives for this purpose... > >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Lee [mailto:jasonjlee@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sat 06/07/2002 11:49
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx > > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
> >
> >
> >
> > Um, I would have said the same thing before I experienced IBM har= d
drives
> a
> > while ago.
> >
> > As a cheap solution, yeah maybe. But Hard Disks fail..
> >
> > I bet you don't put any data you couldn't live without on that sy= stem at
> > work, unless its raided?
> >
> > Plus having a dvdwriter has side benefits.
> >
> > The 'which disk is that on' I am working on.. Once I've got the p= rojects
> > I've already started finished!
> >
> > oh and double sided disks are around for dvd-r.. not sure of the = quality
> > though.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "mark_harrison_uk1" <Mark.Harrison@ekingfisher= .com>
> > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:43 AM
> > Subject: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
> >
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> > If you requirement is simply backup for that kind of data volume,=
> > there's a more cost-effective, and fast solution than either you<= BR> > > propose.
> >
> > A second PC (second-hand, a P2 would be fine), with a, say, 60Gb = HDD
> > in it, a couple of network cards and a crossover cable - and lo, = your
> > ideal backup solution for about =C2=A3200.
> >
> > It's what I do at home for backup... it's also what we now do at = work
> > for long-term archiving of the digital images for the comet websi= te!
> > The cost equation of hardware was about the same, but once you to= ok
> > into account the indexing problem (which CD is that photo on)... = it
> > became an obvious thing to do.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ukha_d@y..., "Ray Barnett" <lists@t...> wr= ote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Just wanted a quick bit of advice since I gather some people= here
> > use them a
> > > fair bit...
> > >
> > > I urgently need to implement a backup system capable of look= ing
> > after my
> > > rapidly growing 20GBs of digital photos.
> > >
> > > Current favourites are a DVD writer or an Onstream 60GB tape= thingy.
> > > However, I've just confused myself over the compatibilities = of the
> > various
> > > DVD writers. Just how compatible is a DVD-R writer, and is i= t a
> > dead duck
> > > now that DVD+R is getting more popular?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ray Barnett.
> >
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