You're confusing different things here.
The "backup being done by ISP" is a "got a large corporate budget
solution
at work".
M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Lee
[mailto:jasonjlee@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Sun 07/07/2002 14:01
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Cc:
Subject: Re:
[ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
Mark,
If you read thru my post I said I wouldn't
trust
*the backup* to a single
disk. As in, I have my hard disk, and have a
backup. That backup should not
be a single hd in my opinion.
I
gave
calc's on cheapness but that depends on how much your backing up
and
when.
I also gave the circumstances that, doing exactly what
you
suggested here, I
lost 2 weeks work. It was bad luck, but it
happened.
Also, if you trust this method so much, why do you have
another backup being
made by the ISP?
So I think we can agree to
disagree. At least, I don't want to ping-pong
this all day. I've got x10
wiring to learn about!
J
----- Original Message
-----
From: "Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>
To:
<ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:08
PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
>
Jason,
>
> But you're not trusting it to a single HD.... you're
making a BACKUP on a
different one... that's the point!
>
>
I'm
not disagreeing that DVD-writers have other benefits, but if all
you're
looking for is a backup, then they aren't the cheapest
solution.
>
> The point about a backup is that it's an EXTRA
copy... so you don't have a
single point of failure
anywhere.
>
> M.
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Jason Lee [mailto:jasonjlee@xxxxxxx]
>
Sent: Sun 07/07/2002 00:32
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Cc:
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD
writers
>
>
>
> To me, anything that is important
enough to not lose, I wouldn't trust the
> backup to a single
hd.
>
> They fail.
>
> As they did when *TWO* 75Gig
Ibms died without warning, taking 2 weeks of
> coding with it. (I was
lucky I had been backing up to the dvd-ram before
> then). As your in
IT
I think you will know the drives I am referring too.
I
> had them
just after launch when the great reviews were around, before the
>
faulty units started to appear. If I remember correctly it was
something
to
> do with when they bought the Hungary factory
online. I
don't make the same
> mistake twice, so I won't trust HD for backups
again.
>
> Now HD space cheaper than dvd-r?
>
> 89p
for 4.3g DVD-RW
> Say 10 disks.. £8.90. 43gig..
> Now you have
to
factor in the cost of the dvd-r etc,etc, but as I said
> before dvd
writers have side benefits.
> (But then in your example you factor in
the pc which you costed at £200.)
>
> And you have to manage
the
media, but thats not too bad.
>
> What I'm after is an
affordable
DVD autoloader. If Yamaha Japan would just
> reply to my
emails..
>
> Anyway, I think we can agree to disagree. To each
his
own.
>
> J
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
From: "Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>
> To:
<ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:02
PM
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD
writers
>
>
>
> Jason,
> >
> > As I said - "if your requirement is
simply _backup_".
> >
> > I _am_ prepared to put
_backups_
on a non-RAID HDD... because _backup_
> means "spare copy".
>
>
> > I was over-simplifying about the archive usage - the HDD
is
question is,
> itself, backed up, to an Application Service Provider
with a full HSM
backup
> offering that does a full delta-block
backup... I'm guessing, however,
that
> this would be out of Ray's
price range if he's talking about buying a
> DVD-writer :-)
>
>
> > The point was that hard disk space is, now, rather
cheaper
than tape, or
> blank optical media... so if the solution really is a
_backup_, a copy to
> another PC is actually the cheapest way to go.
I
know that a number of
> people on this group use _removable_ IDE
drives
for this purpose...
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Lee [mailto:jasonjlee@xxxxxxx]
>
> Sent: Sat 06/07/2002 11:49
> > To:
ukha_d@xxxxxxx> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re:
OT - DVD writers
> >
> >
> >
> > Um, I
would have said the same thing before I experienced IBM
hard
drives
>
a
> > while ago.
> >
> > As a cheap solution,
yeah
maybe. But Hard Disks fail..
> >
> > I bet you don't put
any
data you couldn't live without on that system at
> > work, unless
its
raided?
> >
> > Plus having a dvdwriter has side
benefits.
> >
> > The 'which disk is that on' I am
working
on.. Once I've got the projects
> > I've already started
finished!
> >
> > oh and double sided disks are around
for
dvd-r.. not sure of the quality
> > though.
> >
>
>
J
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message
-----
>
> From: "mark_harrison_uk1" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>
>
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 06,
2002 11:43 AM
> > Subject: [ukha_d] Re: OT - DVD writers
>
>
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> > If you
requirement is simply backup for that kind of data volume,
> >
there's a more cost-effective, and fast solution than either you
>
>
propose.
> >
> > A second PC (second-hand, a P2 would be
fine), with a, say, 60Gb HDD
> > in it, a couple of network cards
and
a crossover cable - and lo, your
> > ideal backup solution for
about
£200.
> >
> > It's what I do at home for backup... it's
also
what we now do at work
> > for long-term archiving of the digital
images for the comet website!
> > The cost equation of hardware
was
about the same, but once you took
> > into account the indexing
problem (which CD is that photo on)... it
> > became an obvious
thing
to do.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
In
ukha_d@y..., "Ray Barnett" <lists@t...> wrote:
> > >
Hi,
> > >
> > > Just wanted a quick bit of advice
since I gather some people here
> > use them a
> > >
fair
bit...
> > >
> > > I urgently need to implement a
backup system capable of looking
> > after my
> > >
rapidly growing 20GBs of digital photos.
> > >
> >
>
Current favourites are a DVD writer or an Onstream 60GB tape
thingy.
>
> > However, I've just confused myself over the compatibilities of
the
> > various
> > > DVD writers. Just how compatible
is
a DVD-R writer, and is it a
> > dead duck
> > > now
that
DVD+R is getting more popular?
> > >
> > >
Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ray Barnett.
>
>
>
>
> > For more information: http://www.automatedhome.co.uk
>
> Post message: ukha_d@xxxxxxx> > Subscribe:
ukha_d-subscribe@xxxxxxx> > Unsubscribe:
ukha_d-unsubscribe@xxxxxxx> > List owner:
ukha_d-owner@xxxxxxx> >
> > Your use of Yahoo!
Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For
more
information: http://www.automatedhome.co.uk
>
> Post message: ukha_d@xxxxxxx> > Subscribe:
ukha_d-subscribe@xxxxxxx> > Unsubscribe:
ukha_d-unsubscribe@xxxxxxx> > List owner:
ukha_d-owner@xxxxxxx> >
> > Your use of Yahoo!
Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
> >
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________
>
> This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs
SkyScan
> > service. For more information on a proactive
anti-virus
service working
> > around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> For
more information: http://www.automatedhome.co.uk
>
Post message: ukha_d@xxxxxxx> Subscribe:
ukha_d-subscribe@xxxxxxx> Unsubscribe:
ukha_d-unsubscribe@xxxxxxx> List owner:
ukha_d-owner@xxxxxxx>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is
subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs
SkyScan
>
service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service
working
> around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
------------------------
Home |
Main Index |
Thread Index