RE: Re: Speakers for announcements

["Nikola Kasic" <nikola@xxxxxxx>]

The problem is thickness. I'll run not only speaker cables, but microphone, IR tx, IR rx, PIR and possibly door contacts all in single go. So where all those cables join, It will be very thick. If I go for one instead of two, I am saving bunch of 7 cables, which can be very thick at the end.

 

Nik

-----Original Message-----
From: psghome2002 [mailto:psghome@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 14 July 2002 12:12
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: [ukha_d] Re: Speakers for announcements

For the sake of a few quid, I'd definately run a pair of cables to
each speaker location and coil up the unused one (long enough to
reach wherever you could put an additional speaker). Depends on how
easy the cable running is though - if it's easy to run additional
cable in the future, you might not want to bother now and save the
few pounds.

I can't see any reason for running more than 2 cables.


--- In ukha_d@y..., "Nikola Kasic" <nikola@k...> wrote:
> Thanks Paul,
> I'll go with your advice and put some better quality ones, so if I
want
> better quality sound in some later stage, in e.g. bedroom, I'll
just buy
> better quality speaker for that room.
> I am still glad to know that even putting lower quality cable
would work
> fine. That gives a bit of redundancy.
> What do you think, is one cable enough?
> For announcements it should be. If I want to switch to stereo
music later,
> placement of speakers is important, I suppose, for re-creating
sound stage.
> Therefore, there's no point planning anything like that, because,
I don't
> have much options regarding placement.
>
> Regards,
> Nik
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: psghome2002 [mailto:psghome@h...]
>   Sent: 14 July 2002 11:15
>   To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx>   Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Speakers for announcements
>
>
>   Putting in good quality cable at this stage would be a good
idea -
>   even if you initially use cheap speakers for just announcements
and
>   TTS etc - you can then upgrade in the future if you want, without
>   having to re-cable.
>
>   Don't have any recommendations for cheaper speakers though.
>
>   --- In ukha_d@y..., "Nikola Kasic" <nikola@k...> wrote:
>   > No, this is new development, so they make lower ceiling to
squeeze
>   as much
>   > floors as possible. :-).
>   > So, how will I know that speakers are good enough?
>   > I'll go for hi-fi speaker cables then, probably from Richer
Sounds.
>   > Any recommendations, but not too expensive?
>   > Nik
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: psghome2002 [mailto:psghome@h...]
>   >   Sent: 13 July 2002 22:06
>   >   To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx>   >   Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Speakers for announcements
>   >
>   >
>   >   Even if you go for KAT5 (As I have done also), you'll still
need
>   the
>   >   same kit - amp(s), speaker cable and speakers.
>   >
>   >   My speaker cable is not shielded - it runs through the floor
>   (long
>   >   runs) and crosses mains in several places (a lot of extra
mains
>   >   wiring for the X10 lighting - all runs to the loft to
LD11's).
>   I've
>   >   not had any noise problems - audio is very clear.
>   >
>   >   Are you living in a bunker by any chance ;)
>   >
>   >   Paul.
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- In ukha_d@y..., "Nikola Kasic" <nikola@k...> wrote:
>   >   > Ha, in most of the rooms ceiling is concrete. Only the
halway
>   has
>   >   suspended
>   >   > ceiling through which I plan to put all the wires.
>   >   > So, it's not possible to mount them in the ceiling.
>   >   > These speakers will be mono, because I will use them for
>   >   anouncements only,
>   >   > so this is all a bit too expensive for me.
>   >   > If I decide to go for a home audio, I'll probably use KAT5.
>   >   > Is your speaker cable shielded, and does it cross any power
>   lines?
>   >   > Does it pick any noise?
>   >   > Nik
>   >   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   >   From: psghome2002 [mailto:psghome@h...]
>   >   >   Sent: 13 July 2002 18:38
>   >   >   To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx>   >   >   Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Speakers for announcements
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >   That's a pretty small speaker requirement then! How about
>   putting
>   >   >   them in the ceiling - I've got 7 sets of ceiling
speakers in
>   >   various
>   >   >   rooms. They sound great and look very good (probably less
>   obvious
>   >   >   than wall speakers). I went for a variety of models
>   including:
>   >   >
>   >   >   Sonance GRM2 - Single stereo to mono summing speaker
(water
>   >   >   resistant) - for use in the bathroom £90 ish
>   >   >
>   >   >   Systemline QED - Stereo pair for general areas £130 ish
>   >   >
>   >   >   Sonance 621 - Good quality stereo pair for listening
rooms
>   £240
>   >   ish
>   >   >
>   >   >   Also used 79 stand OFC cable
>   >   >
>   >   >   May be OTT for your requirements (whole lot cost over
£1000 -
>   >   cheap
>   >   >   compared to what you can easily spend). My system was
>   primarily a
>   >   >   whole-house audio system with feeds for Comfort, ACE TTS
etc.
>   >   >
>   >   >   Paul.
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >   --- In ukha_d@y..., "Nikola Kasic" <nikola@k...> wrote:
>   >   >   > The time has come...
>   >   >   > I am ready to put some more cable throughout the flat.
I
>   >   >   downloaded homeseer
>   >   >   > yesterday, for a trial and saw that I should really
have
>   some
>   >   >   speakers for
>   >   >   > announcements.
>   >   >   > Inital plan is to put small wall speaker in each room
(5+2,
>   >   >   kitchen, lounge,
>   >   >   > hallway, 2 bedrooms + 2 bathrooms).
>   >   >   > I plan to put them above the doors in each room.
Bathroom
>   ones
>   >   >   must be water
>   >   >   > resistant. Internal walls are very thin, 5 cm including
>   >   plaster on
>   >   >   both
>   >   >   > sides. Plaster is about 12mm, so I have just 38mm from
>   surface
>   >   to
>   >   >   the back
>   >   >   > of the plaster on the other side of the wall.
>   >   >   > Did anyone see such a thin speakers, preferrably in
white.
>   >   >   > Are there any standards in speaker sizes, so if speaker
>   dies at
>   >   >   some point
>   >   >   > later I'll have no problems replacing it? I don't want
some
>   >   funny
>   >   >   shapes, so
>   >   >   > I have problems finding spare later.
>   >   >   > And, most important question: What kind of cable to
put for
>   >   that
>   >   >   speaker?
>   >   >   > I suppose hi-fi speaker cable should be fine, but are
they
>   an
>   >   >   overkill?
>   >   >   > Also, because it's crossing power lines, wouldn't it be
>   better
>   >   if
>   >   >   it's
>   >   >   > shielded? Also, they are thick, generally speaking,
should
>   I
>   >   go for
>   >   >   > something thinner?
>   >   >   > Please come with your experiences, because once I put
it
>   in, it
>   >   >   will be
>   >   >   > impossible to replace it later.
>   >   >   > Cheers,
>   >   >   > Nik
>   >   >
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