RE: UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

["Mark Harrison" <Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx>]

Title: Re: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

Tony,

 

In the last week, you seem have done nothing but send me messages telling me that I have wasted my money in buying a Rio, and by implication wasted the money of 40 people in the group in organising a bulk buy of them.

 

Now, having spent the last week rubbishing the competition, you announce that YOU are organising a bulk buy, at a profit, through your company, demanding cash in advance, but somehow you AREN'T a reseller?

 

Get real!

 

Mark

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: BUTLER, Tony, FM [mailto:tony.butler@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 30/05/2002 10:09
To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
Cc:
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

OH good god - could someone please explain to me why nobody complained when I was going to get the US units and 'profit' from doing the 220v conversion?

 

BTW Dr John also, I believe, said that any future buys he did would _not_ be at cost?

 

Tony

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Harrison [mailto:Mark.Harrison@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 30 May 2002 09:56
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

My view is that the "bulk buys" to date have been arranged for the benefit of the group, and any profits have been returned.

 

If someone's making a profit, then I think they ought to realise that they're acting as a reseller, and have the same obligations under the eyes of the law as any other reseller - like a "grace period" in which the purchaser can return the goods and demand a full refund (a legal obligation of any purchase made over the internet, under the Distance Selling Directive.)

 

Now, I realise that many of those who participate in the bulk buys are people we know, and are friends with, but in the recent bulk buy I arranged for Rios, I didn't recognise half of the names!

In that case, the purchase was made directly between the individuals and SonicBlue UK - I didn't receive any money either profit or commission.

 

However, if I'd done a "send me your cheques" deal, and something had gone wrong, then I'd have been PERSONALLY liable for making good under the eyes of the law, if one of these unknown-to-me people had demanded a replacement / repair / refund.

 

I think that if something's a "UKHA Bulk Buy", then it should be understood that there's no profit, and this is simply a group of friends purchasing in union. And I believe that the courts would understand that... the moment there's a "I'm buying this, send me cash in advance, and I'm making a profit" then that disappears.

 

John Tankard, and Gareth Cook, in the WAP and Fuji purchases all made it clear that this was "at cost", and any over-payments would be refunded.

 

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McCall [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 30/05/2002 09:33
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Cc:
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] UK spec Audiotron Bulk Buy

> In the spirit of other bulk buys, I will reveal that I am making a _small_
> profit on this

I have been contacted by a member of the list asking me for guidelines on
Bulk Buys.   He is concerned that a private individual making a profit on a
bulk buy is really no different to any other dealer advertising on this
list.

My answer is that no one is forcing anyone to take part in any bulk buy and
it would be very hard to "enforce" any guidelines.

What do others think?

Thanks

M.



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