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RE: Which xAP hub (on windows) do you use/recommend?
- Subject: RE: Which xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recommend?
- From: "Sullivan, Glenn" <gsullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:27:10 -0400
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I too use Stuart's hub service app.
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But I control the order of startup with a little app that I wrote up
designed exclusively for that, the service dependency manager:
http://webpages.charter.net/bushman4/servicedependencymanager.html
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With it, you can make all of your other xAP services dependant on the
hub service, so that they will not start until the hub service has
completed. And, if you bounce the hub service, it bounces the rest of
the dependant services as well.
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This is the windows-preferred method to control service app startup...
it uses the same technology as Microsoft does... if you've ever tried to
restart a service and had Windows tell you that "the following
services
will also be restarted" then you are seeing dependency at work.
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Pretty slick, if I can toot my own horn for a minute... ;-)
Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA
David Clark Company Inc.=20
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________________________________
From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
[mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of KevinT
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:35 PM
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [xap_automation] Which xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recommend?
Jon
I too have experienced similar problems with the service hub
I use the xAPFramework (Stuarts) service hub exclusively on my PC's
In my case the problems come from xAP applications starting before the
Hub Service gets started which causes the hub to fail. Some of the
Visual Basic Apps seem to be a bit swift in getting running. My solution
is to use Delayexec from
http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/delayexec/
<http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/delayexec/>
to control
the order and timing of the apps starting from the Startup Group.
Eg I have a Batch file called xAPtel.bat in a directory with the
following
@echo off
cd\Progra~1\xapuku~1\xaptel
C:\Progra~1\delaye~1\delayexec.exe "C:\Program Files\xAP
UKUSA\xAPTel\xAPTel.exe" 20
And a shortcut to the batch file in the startup group
Hope this helps
KevinT
________________________________
From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
[mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jon Payne
Sent: 25 September 2006 18:05
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
Subject: [xap_automation] Which xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recommend?
Hi everyone,
Probably didn't make myself very clear last time but basically I'd like
to know which xAP hub people recommend for use on windows?
I've tried Stuarts xAP hub as a service and it just doesn't work on my
machines (they all have two NIC's although the 2nd NIC is disabled in
all cases). The GUI version works most of the time but even that doesn't
work 100%. When they don't work they fire up fine but just don't seem to
pick up messages.
[I do have a project I'm very slowly writing up which is a Java xAP
program to decode Caller ID from an old BT CD50 box - it runs on a TINI
but could equally run on a PC.]
Cheers,
Jon
----- Original Message ----
From: Jon Payne <jgpayne@xxxxxxx>
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, 22 September, 2006 10:59:18 AM
Subject: [xap_automation] xAP Hub windows service
Hi all,
At the moment, on all my machines, I have to fire up Stuart's xAP Hub
Gui (HubGUI-v1.2.1.6.zip
<http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=3DDownloads&d_op=3Dgetit&lid=3D141>
-
http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=3DDownloads&d_op=3Dviewdownload&cid=3D4=
1
<http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=3DDownloads&d_op=3Dviewdownload&cid=3D=
41>
) because for some reason the service version doesn't work on any of my
three XP machines. Does anyone know of another xAP service hub? Or why
it doesn't work?
Thanks,
Jon
[Using the excellent xAP Switchboard together with a TINI for PSTN
caller id]
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I too use Stuart's hub service
app.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>But I control the order of startup with a little
app that I
wrote up designed exclusively for that, the service dependency
manager:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://webpages.charter.net/bushman4/servicedependencymanager.html";>http://webpages.charter.net/bushman4/servicedependencymanager.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>With it, you can make all of your other xAP
services
dependant on the hub service, so that they will not start until the hub
service
has completed. And, if you bounce the hub service, it bounces the
rest of
the dependant services as well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is the windows-preferred method to control
service app
startup... it uses the same technology as Microsoft does... if you've ever
tried
to restart a service and had Windows tell you that "the following
services will
also be restarted" then you are seeing dependency at
work.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900362119-25092006><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Pretty slick, if I can toot my own horn for a
minute...
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<P><FONT size=2>Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA<BR>David
Clark Company Inc.
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
xap_automation@xxxxxxx
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<B>On Behalf Of
</B>KevinT<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 25,
2006 1:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
xap_automation@xxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[xap_automation] Which xAP
hub (on windows) do you
use/recommend?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
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Arial">Jon<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I too
have experienced
similar problems with the service
hub<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I use
the <SPAN
class=SpellE><SPAN
class=GramE>xAPFramework</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=GramE>
<SPAN> </SPAN>(</SPAN>Stuarts) service hub
exclusively on my <SPAN
class=SpellE>PC’s</SPAN><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In my
case the problems
come from <SPAN class=SpellE>xAP</SPAN> applications starting
before the Hub
Service gets started which causes the hub to fail. Some of the Visual Basic
Apps
seem to be a bit swift in getting running. My solution is to use <SPAN
class=SpellE>Delayexec</SPAN> from <A
href="http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/delayexec/";>http://www.rjlsoftw<WBR>are.com/software<WBR>/utility/<WBR>delayexec/</A>
<SPAN> </SPAN>to control the order and timing of the
apps starting from the
Startup Group.<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=SpellE><SPAN
class=GramE><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Eg</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=GramE><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<SPAN> </SPAN>I</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> have a Batch file
called <SPAN
class=SpellE>xAPtel.bat</SPAN> in a directory with the
following<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">@echo
off<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">cd\Progra~1\<WBR>xapuku~1\<WBR>xaptel<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">C:\Progra~1\<WBR>delaye~1\<WBR>delayexec.<WBR>exe
"C:\Program Files\<SPAN class=SpellE>xAP</SPAN>
UKUSA\xAPTel\<WBR>xAPTel.exe<SPAN
class=GramE>"<SPAN>
</SPAN>20</SPAN><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And <SPAN
class=GramE>a shortcut to
the batch file</SPAN> in the startup
group<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hope this
helps<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">KevinT</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
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<ST1>xap_automation@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</ST1>
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<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>Jon Payne<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 25
September 2006 18:05<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<ST1>xap_automation@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</ST1><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
[xap_automation] Which xAP hub (on
windows) do you
use/recommend?</SPAN></FONT><O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
everyone,<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Probably didn't
make myself very
clear last time but basically I'd like to know which xAP hub people
recommend
for use on
windows?<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I've tried Stuarts
xAP hub as a
service and it just doesn't work on my machines (they all have two NIC's
although the 2nd NIC is disabled in all cases). The GUI version works most
of
the time but even that doesn't work 100%. When they don't work they fire up
fine
but just don't seem to pick up
messages.<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">[I do have a
project I'm very slowly
writing up which is a Java xAP program to decode Caller ID from an old BT
CD50
box - it runs on a TINI but could equally run on a
PC.]<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Cheers,<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Jon<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">----- Original Message
----<BR>From: Jon Payne
<jgpayne@btinternet.<WBR>com><BR>To:
<ST1>xap_automation@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</ST1><BR>Sent:
Friday, 22
September, 2006 10:59:18 AM<BR>Subject: [xap_automation] xAP Hub
windows
service<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
all,<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At the moment, on
all my machines, I
have to fire up Stuart's xAP Hub Gui (<A id=bodyLinks
href="http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=141";
target=_blank>HubGUI-v1.2.<WBR>1.6.zip</A> - <A
id=bodyLinks
href="http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=41";
target=_blank>http://www.mi4.<WBR>biz/modules.<WBR>php?name=<WBR>Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=41</A>)
because for some reason the service version doesn't work on any of my three
XP
machines. Does anyone know of another xAP service hub? Or why it doesn't
work?<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Thanks,<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Jon<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">[Using the
excellent xAP Switchboard
together with a TINI for PSTN caller
id]<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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