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- Subject: RE: Which xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recommend?
- From: "Paul Gale" <groups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:01:06 +0100
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What if some of your xAP apps don't run as services?
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Paul.=20
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From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx=
] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Glenn
Sent: 25 September 2006 20:27
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [xap_automation] Which xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recomme=
nd?
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I too use Stuart's hub service app.
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But I control the order of startup with a little app that I wrote up
design=
ed exclusively for that, the service dependency manager:
http://webpages.charter.net/bushman4/servicedependencymanager.html
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With it, you can make all of your other xAP services dependant on the hub
s=
ervice, so that they will not start until the hub service has completed.
A=
nd, if you bounce the hub service, it bounces the rest of the dependant
ser=
vices as well.
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This is the windows-preferred method to control service app startup... it
u=
ses the same technology as Microsoft does... if you've ever tried to
restar=
t a service and had Windows tell you that "the following services will
also=
be restarted" then you are seeing dependency at work.
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Pretty slick, if I can toot my own horn for a minute... ;-)
Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA
David Clark Company Inc.=20
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________________________________
From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx=
] On Behalf Of KevinT
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:35 PM
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [xap_automation] Which xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recomme=
nd?
Jon
I too have experienced similar problems with the service hub
I use the xAPFramework (Stuarts) service hub exclusively on my PC's
In my case the problems come from xAP applications starting before the Hub
=
Service gets started which causes the hub to fail. Some of the Visual
Basic=
Apps seem to be a bit swift in getting running. My solution is to use Dela=
yexec from http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/delayexec/
<http://w=
ww.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/delayexec/> to control the order
and =
timing of the apps starting from the Startup Group.
Eg I have a Batch file called xAPtel.bat in a directory with the following
@echo off
cd\Progra~1\xapuku~1\xaptel
C:\Progra~1\delaye~1\delayexec.exe "C:\Program Files\xAP
UKUSA\xAPTel\xAPTe=
l.exe" 20
And a shortcut to the batch file in the startup group
Hope this helps
KevinT
________________________________
From: xap_automation@xxxxxxx [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx=
] On Behalf Of Jon Payne
Sent: 25 September 2006 18:05
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
Subject: [xap_automation] Which xAP hub (on windows) do you use/recommend?
Hi everyone,
Probably didn't make myself very clear last time but basically I'd like to
=
know which xAP hub people recommend for use on windows?
I've tried Stuarts xAP hub as a service and it just doesn't work on my
mach=
ines (they all have two NIC's although the 2nd NIC is disabled in all
cases=
). The GUI version works most of the time but even that doesn't work 100%.
=
When they don't work they fire up fine but just don't seem to pick up
messa=
ges.
[I do have a project I'm very slowly writing up which is a Java xAP
program=
to decode Caller ID from an old BT CD50 box - it runs on a TINI but could =
equally run on a PC.]
Cheers,
Jon
----- Original Message ----
From: Jon Payne <jgpayne@xxxxxxx>
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, 22 September, 2006 10:59:18 AM
Subject: [xap_automation] xAP Hub windows service
Hi all,
At the moment, on all my machines, I have to fire up Stuart's xAP Hub Gui
(=
HubGUI-v1.2.1.6.zip <http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=3DDownloads&d_op=
=3Dgetit&lid=3D141> - http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=3DDownloads&d_op=
=3Dviewdownload&cid=3D41 <http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=3DDownloads&d=
_op=3Dviewdownload&cid=3D41> ) because for some reason the service
version =
doesn't work on any of my three XP machines. Does anyone know of another
xA=
P service hub? Or why it doesn't work?
Thanks,
Jon
[Using the excellent xAP Switchboard together with a TINI for PSTN caller
i=
d]
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What if some of your xAP apps
don’t
run as services?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Paul.</span></font><font
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
xap_automation@xxxxxxx [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx]
<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Sullivan,
Glenn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b>
25 September 2006 20:27<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
xap_automation@xxxxxxx<br>
<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE:
[xap_automation]
Which xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recommend?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I too use Stuart's hub service
app.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>But I control the order of startup
with a
little app that I wrote up designed exclusively for that, the service
dependency
manager:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a
href="http://webpages.charter.net/bushman4/servicedependencymanager.html";>http://webpages.charter.net/bushman4/servicedependencymanager.html</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>With it, you can make all of your
other
xAP services dependant on the hub service, so that they will not start
until
the hub service has completed. And, if you bounce the hub
service, it
bounces the rest of the dependant services as
well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This is the windows-preferred
method to
control service app startup... it uses the same technology as Microsoft
does...
if you've ever tried to restart a service and had Windows tell you that
"the following services will also be restarted" then you
are seeing
dependency at
work.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Pretty slick, if I can toot my own
horn
for a minute...
;-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><!-- Converted from text/plain format
-->Glenn
Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA<br>
David Clark Company Inc.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
xap_automation@xxxxxxx [mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx]
<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of
</span></b>KevinT<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b>
Monday, September 25, 2006
1:35 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
xap_automation@xxxxxxx<br>
<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE:
[xap_automation]
Which xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recommend?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal
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size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Jon<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I too have experienced similar problems with the service
hub<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I use the <span class=grame>xAPFramework
(</span>Stuarts)
service hub exclusively on my <span
class=spelle>PC’s<O></O></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><O></O>In my case the problems come from
<span class=spelle>xAP</span>
applications starting before the Hub Service gets started which causes the
hub
to fail. Some of the Visual Basic Apps seem to be a bit swift in getting
running. My solution is to use <span
class=spelle>Delayexec</span> from <a
href="http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/delayexec/";>http://www.rjlsoftw<wbr>are.com/software<wbr>/utility/<wbr>delayexec/</a>
to control the order and timing of the apps starting from the
Startup
Group.<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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class=grame><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Eg
I</span></font></span><font color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:navy'> have a
Batch file called
<span class=spelle>xAPtel.bat</span> in a directory with the
following<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal
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size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
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color:navy'><O></O>@echo
off<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>cd\Progra~1\<wbr>xapuku~1\<wbr>xaptel<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>C:\Progra~1\<wbr>delaye~1\<wbr>delayexec.<wbr>exe
"C:\Program
Files\<span class=spelle>xAP</span>
UKUSA\xAPTel\<wbr>xAPTel.exe<span
class=grame>"
20<O></O></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>And
<span
class=grame>a shortcut to the batch file</span> in the startup
group<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Hope
this
helps<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
class=spelle><O></O><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>KevinT</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<O></O><font size=3 face="Times New
Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New
Roman"'><O></O></span></font>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
<ST1>xap_automation@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</ST1>
[mailto:<ST1>xap_automation@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</ST1>]
<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jon
Payne<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b>
25 September 2006 18:05<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
<ST1>xap_automation@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</ST1><br>
<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b>
[xap_automation] Which
xAP hub (on windows) do you
use/recommend?</span></font><O></O><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<O></O>
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style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi
everyone,<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Probably
didn't make myself very clear last time but basically I'd like to know
which
xAP hub people recommend for use on
windows?<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>I've
tried Stuarts xAP hub as a service and it just doesn't work on my machines
(they all have two NIC's although the 2nd NIC is disabled in all cases).
The
GUI version works most of the time but even that doesn't work 100%. When
they
don't work they fire up fine but just don't seem to pick up
messages.<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>[I do
have a project I'm very slowly writing up which is a Java xAP program to
decode
Caller ID from an old BT CD50 box - it runs on a TINI but could equally run
on
a
PC.]<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Cheers,<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jon<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original
Message ----<br>
From: Jon Payne <jgpayne@btinternet.<wbr>com><br>
To:
<ST1>xap_automation@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</ST1><br>
Sent: Friday, 22 September, 2006 10:59:18 AM<br>
Subject: [xap_automation] xAP Hub windows
service<O></O><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi
all,<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>At
the moment, on all my machines, I have to fire up Stuart's xAP Hub Gui
(<a
href="http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=141";
target="_blank"
id=bodyLinks>HubGUI-v1.2.<wbr>1.6.zip</a> - <a
href="http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=41";
target="_blank" id=bodyLinks>http://www.mi4.<wbr>biz/modules.<wbr>php?name=<wbr>Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=41</a>)
because for some reason the service version doesn't work on any of my three
XP
machines. Does anyone know of another xAP service hub? Or why it doesn't
work?<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Thanks,<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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