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Hi James,
Thanks James, I think that you are correct in that there is something more
=
fundamental amiss.
I've done a little bit more digging:
When I initially start Speech the heartbeat is:
xap-hbeat
{
v=3D12
hop=3D1
uid=3DFF234500
class=3Dxap-hbeat.alive
source=3Dmi4.speech.ahsmediaserver
port=3D3639
interval=3D60
}
xFx Hub was already running though and netstat -abnp UDP reports:
UDP 0.0.0.0:4655 *:* 3976
=
[xaptv.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:1574 *:* 2160
=
[xFxHub.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:3639 *:* 14828
=
[xAPSpeech.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:4154 *:* 7664
=
[xAP Current Cost.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:3207 *:* 14828
=
[xAPSpeech.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:1047 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49154 *:* 7664
[=
xAP Current Cost.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49153 *:* 3976
=
[xaptv.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49152 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:1049 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 192.168.1.9:3639 *:* 2160
=
[xFxHub.exe]
note the 2 entries for Speech?
When a malformed UDP packet is received by xFx I get the following in the
e=
vent log:
"ersp.xfxe.Hub ERROR Hub message loop socket exception (MessageSize):
A mes=
sage sent on a datagram socket was larger than the internal message buffer
=
or some other network limit, or the buffer used to receive a datagram into
=
was smaller than the datagram itself"
followed by:
"ersp.xfxe.Hub ERROR Failed to bind receive socket to 192.168.1.9:3639
(Acc=
essDenied)"
.....repeating over and over, xFx disappears from Viewer and other
intranet=
apps on the same machine report that they aren't receiving xAP messages.
at this point, netstat -abnp UDP reports:
=20
UDP 0.0.0.0:4655 *:* 3976 =
[xaptv.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:1574 *:* 2160
=
[xFxHub.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:3639 *:* 14828
=
[xAPSpeech.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:4154 *:* 7664
=
[xAP Current Cost.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:3207 *:* 14828
=
[xAPSpeech.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:1047 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49154 *:* 7664
=
[xAP Current Cost.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49153 *:* 3976
=
[xaptv.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49152 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:1049 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
If I then stop Speech, within a minute or so xFx hub re-appears in Viewer
a=
nd
UDP 0.0.0.0:4655 *:* 3976
[=
xaptv.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:1574 *:* 2160
=
[xFxHub.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:4154 *:* 7664
=
[xAP Current Cost.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:1047 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:1049 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49154 *:* 7664
=
[xAP Current Cost.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49153 *:* 3976
=
[xaptv.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49152 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 192.168.1.9:3639 *:* 2160
=
[xFxHub.exe]
I can repeat the same with Blue, when I initially start it the heartbeat
is=
:
xap-hbeat
{
v=3D12
hop=3D1
uid=3DFF441100
class=3Dxap-hbeat.alive
source=3Dmi4.blue.AHSMEDIASERVER
interval=3D60
port=3D3639
}
netstat -abnp UDP reports:
UDP 0.0.0.0:3639 *:* 15596
=
[Blue.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:4154 *:* 7664
=
[xAP Current Cost.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:4784 *:* 15596
=
[Blue.exe]
UDP 0.0.0.0:1047 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:1049 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49154 *:* 7664
=
[xAP Current Cost.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49153 *:* 3976
=
[xaptv.exe]
UDP 127.0.0.1:49152 *:* 2040
=
[News3.exe]
UDP 192.168.1.9:3639 *:* 2160
=
[xFxHub.exe]
It's like they're ignoring the fact that the Hub port is already in use?
Any ideas?
Cheers,
Martyn
----- Original Message -----=20
From: James Traynor=20
To: xap_automation@xxxxxxx=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [xap_automation] Intranet apps and hub port
Hi,
There are no global overrides to control the intranet ocx beyond what the=
app in question tells it to do. So you will need to refer to each app and =
see what settings it has.
However I wonder if something else is going on. Firstly Speech doesn't us=
e the intranetocx which makes me think something a little more fundamental
=
is happening. Secondly both Speech and the OCX only have one function
each=
that binds to a network card and the only time that is called is when the=
app starts up or when the ocx is initialised.
If you have viewer running on a different PC can you monitor theses apps =
and see if the port reported in the heartbeat header changes, that might
he=
lp pointing towards what is going on!
Thanks
James
Martyn Wendon wrote:=20
Hi,
Is there a way to prevent xAP Intranet apps from grabbing the hub port?
Specifically, what I'm seeing is that occassionaly the xFx Hub will rec=
eive=20
a badly formed UDP packet that seems to make it drop it's socket for a =
few=20
seconds.
It will recover fine, unless a xAP Intranet app sends a xAP message out=
=20
while the xFx Hub hasn't bound to the port. It seems that the act of=20
sending a xAP message out makes the xAP Intranet app bind to the port a=
nd=20
then the xFx Hub can't bind to it.
I'm seeing this with xAP Speech, xAP Blue, xAP Current Cost, etc.
Thanks for any pointers,
Martyn=20
=20=20=20
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi James,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks James, I think that you are
correct in that
there is something more fundamental amiss.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've done a little bit more
digging:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When I initially start Speech the
heartbeat
is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>xap-hbeat<BR>{<BR>v=12<BR>hop=1<BR>uid=FF234500<BR>class=xap-hbeat.alive<BR>source=mi4.speech.ahsmediaserver<BR>port=3639<BR>interval=60<BR>}</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>xFx Hub was already running though
and </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>netstat -abnp UDP reports:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:4655
*:*
3976 [xaptv.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:1574
*:*
2160 [xFxHub.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:3639
*:*
14828 [xAPSpeech.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:4154
*:*
7664 [xAP Current Cost.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:3207
*:*
14828 [xAPSpeech.exe]</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:1047
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49154
*:*
7664 [xAP Current Cost.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49153
*:*
3976 [xaptv.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49152
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:1049
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
192.168.1.9:3639
*:*
2160 [xFxHub.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>note the 2 entries for
Speech?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When a malformed UDP packet is
received by xFx I
get the following in the event log:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"ersp.xfxe.Hub ERROR Hub
message loop socket
exception (MessageSize): A message sent on a datagram socket was larger
than the
internal message buffer or some other network limit, or the buffer used to
receive a datagram into was smaller than the datagram
itself"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>followed
by:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"ersp.xfxe.Hub ERROR Failed
to bind receive socket
to 192.168.1.9:3639 (AccessDenied)"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>....repeating over and over, xFx
disappears from
Viewer and other intranet apps on the same machine report that they aren't
receiving xAP messages.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>at this point, netstat -abnp UDP
reports:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <BR>
UDP
0.0.0.0:4655
*:*
3976 [xaptv.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:1574
*:*
2160 [xFxHub.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:3639
*:*
14828 [xAPSpeech.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:4154
*:*
7664 [xAP Current Cost.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:3207
*:*
14828 [xAPSpeech.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:1047
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49154
*:*
7664 [xAP Current Cost.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49153
*:*
3976 [xaptv.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49152
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:1049
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I then stop Speech, within a
minute or so xFx
hub re-appears in Viewer and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:4655
*:*
3976 [xaptv.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:1574
*:*
2160 [xFxHub.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:4154
*:*
7664 [xAP Current Cost.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:1047
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:1049
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49154
*:*
7664 [xAP Current Cost.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49153
*:*
3976 [xaptv.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49152
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
192.168.1.9:3639
*:*
2160 [xFxHub.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can repeat the same with Blue,
when I initially
start it the heartbeat is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>xap-hbeat<BR>{<BR>v=12<BR>hop=1<BR>uid=FF441100<BR>class=xap-hbeat.alive<BR>source=mi4.blue.AHSMEDIASERVER<BR>interval=60<BR>port=3639<BR>}</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>netstat -abnp UDP
reports:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:3639
*:*
15596 [Blue.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:4154
*:*
7664 [xAP Current Cost.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:4784
*:*
15596 [Blue.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
0.0.0.0:1047
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:1049
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49154
*:*
7664 [xAP Current Cost.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49153
*:*
3976 [xaptv.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
127.0.0.1:49152
*:*
2040 [News3.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>UDP
192.168.1.9:3639
*:*
2160 [xFxHub.exe]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's like they're ignoring the
fact that the Hub
port is already in use?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any
ideas?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><BR>Martyn</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=james.traynor@xxxxxxx href="mailto:james.traynor@xxxxxxx";>James
Traynor</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=xap_automation@xxxxxxx
href="mailto:xap_automation@xxxxxxx";>xap_automation@xxxxxxx</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:12
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [xap_automation] Intranet
apps and hub port</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR>There are no global overrides
to control the intranet
ocx beyond what the app in question tells it to do. So you will need to
refer
to each app and see what settings it has.<BR>However I wonder if
something
else is going on. Firstly Speech doesn't use the intranetocx which makes me
think something a little more fundamental is happening. Secondly both
Speech
and the OCX only have one function each that binds to a
network
card and the only time that is called is when the app starts up or when the
ocx is initialised.<BR>If you have viewer running on a different PC
can you
monitor theses apps and see if the port reported in the heartbeat header
changes, that might help pointing towards what is going
on!<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>James<BR><BR>Martyn
Wendon wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:001001c94daa$790e01f0$1201a8c0@xxxxxxx
type="cite">
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<P>Hi,<BR><BR>Is there a way to prevent xAP Intranet apps
from grabbing the
hub port?<BR><BR>Specifically, what I'm seeing is that
occassionaly the xFx
Hub will receive <BR>a badly formed UDP packet that seems to make it
drop
it's socket for a few <BR>seconds.<BR><BR>It will recover
fine, unless a xAP
Intranet app sends a xAP message out <BR>while the xFx Hub hasn't
bound to
the port. It seems that the act of <BR>sending a xAP message out
makes the
xAP Intranet app bind to the port and <BR>then the xFx Hub can't bind
to
it.<BR><BR>I'm seeing this with xAP Speech, xAP Blue, xAP
Current Cost,
etc.<BR><BR>Thanks for any pointers,<BR><BR>Martyn
<BR><BR></P></DIV><!--End group email
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